Cultural Diversity

Jan 30th, 2008, in News, by

The PKS broadens its electoral and cultural horizons, in Bali.

The Islamist political party, Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (Justice Party, PKS), holds its national meeting in Sanur, Bali in early February, spread over three lovely hotel locations, Grand Bali Beach, Sanur Beach, and Sanur Paradise Plaza, bringing about 2,000 participants from Jakarta and the provinces, led by parliament chairman Hidayat Nurwahid.

The head of the organising committee, H. Mudjiono, says the PKS plans to hold discussions with local Balinese cultural figures, and pay some visits to Hindu temples, partly to show that despite being known as a strictly Islamic party, and the main sponsor of the anti-pornography and indecency law (RUU APP), the PKS is not hostile to traditional Balinese culture at all, and in fact is no longer a purely Islamic party, but a party based on the slogan:

Rise up Indonesia, there is still hope.

And a party which is primarily focused on increasing general prosperity, creating jobs, and ensuring security, all in the interests of attaining a 20% share in the 2009 elections, or about 110 seats, thereby joining the "big league" of political parties. beritabali

February 1st 2008. A PKS leader, Heri Sukarmeni, said in Bali that the party was open to receive non-Muslim members.

Non-Muslims could even become party officials.

However the party would remain ideologically Islamic, he said. tempo

PKS president, Tifatul Sembiring, said on 11th February that his party was not "open" and remained founded on Islam. He said the push to open the party to non-Muslims came from party members in such places as Papua, Nusa Tenggara Timur and Bali, where Muslims are a minority, and would have to be discussed at a Party senior council meeting later. He suggested that if non-Muslims did want to join then it meant they embraced Islam. okezone


47 Comments on “Cultural Diversity”

  1. avatar Pakmantri says:

    @ Lairedion,
    Nyuwun ngapunten for my Dutch, after all I am only 1/8 Dutch ………….. 🙂

    Back to the article,

    A PKS leader, Heri Sukarmeni, said in Bali that the party was open to receive non-Muslim members.

    Non-Muslims could even become party officials.

    However the party would remain ideologically Islamic

    Is this a load of crap or what? In other words, you could be non Muslims and join us but you have to follow Sharia law.

    Peace.

  2. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Pakmantri

    Is this a load of crap or what? In other words, you could be non Muslims and join us but you have to follow Sharia law.

    And still pay Jizya tax, of course.

  3. avatar Lairedion says:

    @Pakmantri

    No worries. It was a fun exchange.

    Yes inviting you as a non-Muslim is their first effort in a series of more to reach their ultimate goal. To make you convert to Islam and in the meantime gaining enough votes to enforce their Sharia-based Islamic agenda to the full.

    This congress is already finished, isn’t it?

  4. avatar Odinius says:

    It’s very nice of PKS to invite non-Muslims to join the party’s effort to reclassify them as second-class citizens!

  5. avatar Marisa says:

    Marisa darling, when a beautiful woman starts using foul language what else is there to say but “sois belle et tais-toi” ?

    If I was Marisa’s (ex-)boyfriend I wouldn’t have said this but I probably talked dirty to her”¦.

    Speaking of her, did she follow dewaratugedeanom’s last advice “sois belle et tais-toi” ?

    Sheeps. You know what they sound like, people?
    “Baaaaa” ..that’s “Mbeeeeek” in Bahasa Indonesia.

    You know what sheeps do? All they can ever do is huddle around together “Baaaaaa”-ing each other. But that’s it. Intelligent, yes ..but discriminative, sexist, pointless in general.

    Foul language? Who’s using foul language?
    Read the above comments again, does it really sound foul to you?
    Wow. You must be the Queen of England or something.

    Whatever idea “Indonesia” Matters is trying to fight for–if any, it’s going down the drain.
    I’ve read tons of insightful comments on this site that could inspire many, but the rest of ’em? Blah. What a total waste. It’s no different than those who you are opposed to.

    PS: I bet in real life, when you’re not being these evilish alter egos, you’ve been having some issues with women. And you’re nice. So terribly nice and sheep-ish.

    Not white, only desperately trying to be one.

  6. avatar Lairedion says:

    @Marisa,

    Sheeps. You know what they sound like, people?
    “Baaaaa” ..that’s “Mbeeeeek” in Bahasa Indonesia

    My wife cooked a wonderful gule domba yesterday because kambing is hard to get in Holland. But I never knew sheep sounded different in Bahasa Indonesia (“Mbeeeeek” in stead of “Baaaaaaa”) and are discriminative, sexist and pointless next to intelligent.

    PS: I bet in real life, when you’re not being these evilish alter egos, you’ve been having some issues with women. And you’re nice. So terribly nice and sheep-ish.

    You’re right. I did have issues with women when I was younger, visiting nightclubs and discotheques in Amsterdam. You know, women are the best thing God has created. I adore them and cherish them. My issue was I just couldn’t stay with the same woman. White, black, yellow, brown, all those beautiful ladies and I wanted them all. Damn all those gorgeous super sexy ladies for driving me crazy and making it so difficult to pick one! Why are they doing that to us men?

    But it’s ok now. Happily married with a beautiful Sundanese woman for 10 years now and having an even more beautiful 6 year old daughter. No more issues with women.

    Horas, Lairedion

  7. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Marisa

    Gotcha 🙂

  8. avatar Marisa says:

    Haha, gotcha?
    You actually think this is a contest, a gender match or something?

    So what if you know I’m Bataknese? Takes no genious to know anyways, it’s already in my blog.
    Don’t act like you can intimidate me or people (particularly the female ones) that cannot always be disagreeable. You have no power whatsoever to intimidate anyone. Even if you do, quite sure there are thousands of people out there that would take this attitude of yours for granted. Simply to point out that you are wrong, and your opinions are poison to the society. To be responsible for that, surely comes with a consequence.

    I mean, seriously. The most hillarious part of people like you, is exactly when you’re acting out this *tough* character of yours. Inspired by the dude character in your wife’s favourite TV series, maybe? You’re only fooling yourself, while speaking in the name of one nation’s best interest. Can you please not multitask like a girl, and work on one stupidity first, after the next?

    Tell me, what is it really your purpose in commenting on this site? Because everyone knows that this site is all about the comments right? Not the content itself. Everyone also knows that most commenters here are being cowards. And the only reason you enjoy acting superior with your remarks as a response to mine right now, is because you know, if you allow an Indonesian woman to speak her own mind and level herself with you, it suggests that you’re no less “inferior” than the rest of us Indonesians. The feel of inferiority makes you cringe. You and your sexist mind, it’s doing tricks to your head.

    Funny that on another post, after I suggested Patung to create a website for interreligious discussions, you said you’d be happy to subsribe to it if I’m the one who created it. So, is it because of the purpose, or the idealism? Or is it because I’m me? Young, female, Indonesian and of course, the stereotype that goes along with it?

    No, don’t answer. We all know how “tong kosong” sounds like.

    And Laireidon, instead of wasting your time explaining yourself, you should spend more time with your wife and daughter and build one good family. Later in life, teach your daughter on how to deal with men, when they disrespect her and treat her like some disobedient harlem, just because she goes to school, read books, and grow up to be an opinionated freethinking person that she is.

  9. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Marisa,
    Whom are you addressing actually? Calm down, because it seems you are messing things up.
    One good advice, if you start debating in a public arena get used to a certain amount of sarcasm, even cynicism. And if you push somebody or use aggressive language – which you also did in some of your earlier posts to other commenters – be prepared for the kickback. Come out of your ivory tower of educated Indonesian female and have a taste of the real world. Being emancipated comes at a price, you know.

  10. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    LOL, don’t mess around with our Indonesian sisters. They are not some Pakis, Bengali or Arab women where you can gang-rape them, report them to the police and get away with it.

  11. avatar Lairedion says:

    Marisa,

    Great post. Fun reading and entertaining! I couldn’t comment earlier because I was spending time with my wife and daughter. Early morning swimming, playing on the Wii console, it’s exhausting really.

    But, seriously, if you keep on reacting like this you surely will develop some mental health problems. Follow dewa’s advice.

  12. avatar Marisa says:

    Come out of your ivory tower of educated Indonesian female and have a taste of the real world. Being emancipated comes at a price, you know.

    LOL. Yeah right. Real world? Like the one on MTV? Trying to act like you’re some Jakartan street kid now, huh sir? Can you prove to me that you’ve actually been there? On the streets?
    I doubt it.

    Being emancipated comes at a price?
    Whoa, now you consider me a feminist. I take that as a compliment, much thanks.
    So, like, you’re this masculinist, right? This macho beefy hero that is going to save Indonesia, ..and its women, from the grasp of the violent and evil Islam legion. Owh-kay. Strangely, you sure sound smart when attacking the religion and its religious establishments, but you’re not smart enough to analyse the system involved. Do I see essays on this site? Do I see aspiration? Do I see one single humanitarian act? Nope.

    So, tell me, does Indonesia really matter? Or is it your fantasy that matters, Indiana Jones?
    Even if one’s idealism comes at a price, your idealism must be insignificantly worthless, not because it is ..but because you treat others’ idealism in such way.

    One good advice, if you start debating in a public arena get used to a certain amount of sarcasm, even cynicism.

    Telling a person to keep silent, isn’t sarcasm or cynicism.
    Even an idiot knows that. Be an idiot, if your ego talks louder than your brain.

    Is this what you call an intellectual sarcasm or cynicism?:

    1.

    Marisa, I think you’re a nice person and have a good heart but I think you’re indeed somewhat naive.

    2.

    Marisa darling, when a beautiful woman starts using foul language what else is there to say but “sois belle et tais-toi” ?

    3.

    If I was Marisa’s (ex-)boyfriend I wouldn’t have said this but I probably talked dirty to her”¦.

    Speaking of her, did she follow dewaratugedeanom’s last advice “sois belle et tais-toi” ?

    And Laireidon, why are you still explaining yourself? It’s okay, so you’re a great family man. Good for you, and God bless. But it isn’t my concern.

    Funny that you’ve mentioned this earlier:

    Humans are searching for answers in concepts such as religion, spirituality or ideology because the human brain and self-awareness are limited in understanding life and reality. This process is always in motion and will never stop. The questions need to be asked again and again. It’s human nature. All humans are equal but not the same.

    Very wise. I wonder whether you’ve copypasted it somewhere, because seems to me like you haven’t understand the essence of it. All humans are equal, huh? Right.

    The only mental health problems I have, is exactly when I allow random people like you to disrespect others in this particular way. While you’re obsessively dissing the ones you’re opposed to, have you realised that you’re only pointing fingers at the silent wall? Maybe for the 12436214th comments now? But you still enjoy it. Your hunger to mock and scorn at others, is much greater than your will to compromise and act for a better change. Doesn’t it ever occur to you that by behaving in such way, you’ve suffered from a mental health problem as well? Eventhough I’d hate to call it a mental health problem, I prefer to call it spiritual health problem.

    Then again, you’re talking to a young one here. Playing around with psychoanalysis doesn’t work anymore, it shows, and it’s hillarious when it shows. If you assume I’m going mental, how about Einstein, Sartre, or Nietszche? What do you call them? The Satan himself?

    Just a suggestion.
    The very least you can do when talking to any person younger than you, is to be wise and supportive about their own learning process. A discussion should’ve been a quest for answers, and the will to learn. Not one bullying another. If you’re a true ideallist, this wouldn’t be about you defending your ego at the first place.

    A great leader produce leaders, not followers. Yadda yadda.

    Fun debate, but I won’t be replying to it anymore. I haven’t finished an article I’ve promised to Jakartass, so I am trying to focus on that first.

  13. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    hehehe .. I have reason to believe Mbak Marisa has Javanese blood. We are not easily intimidated.

  14. avatar Lairedion says:

    Aluang,

    Are abusive language and showing anger and emotions also Javanese virtues? My grandmother always told me not to do that and I’ve kept that in mind ever since. Marisa’s ethnical background is not an issue here. I said Horas to her just to be polite.

    Marisa

    What’s the matter with you? Is it really that difficult to separate serious comments from sarcasm and (perhaps twisted) sense of humor? I expected more from a 25 year old college educated free thinking indepedent Indonesian woman. It’s very easy for you to set your emotions on fire and to get lost in badmouthing, aggression and abusive language.

    From an older person a good advice on your learning process. Try to read better between the lines and don’t interpretate everything litterally. Dewa and I were just poking fun at your statements of ex-boyfriend, num num num etc.

    Furthermore you should control your emotions when joining public debating and like dewa said earlier: Be prepared for the kickback. In any of my comments I haven’t offended you or was I disrespectful to you (you can read it back). If you’re having trouble with that blogging and commenting may not be your thing to do.

    Again Marisa and this is no sarcasm, cynicism or lie:

    I think you’re a nice person and have a good heart but I think you’re indeed somewhat naive.

  15. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Aluang said

    hehehe .. I have reason to believe Mbak Marisa has Javanese blood. We are not easily intimidated.

    Funny, but I never noticed that Javanese people also had extra long toes.

  16. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Marisa said

    So, like, you’re this masculinist, right? This macho beefy hero that is going to save Indonesia, ..and its women, from the grasp of the violent and evil Islam legion.

    Marisa, I am Dewa Ratu Gede Anom, not a macho beefy hero but a reincarnation of Gajah Mada, coming to fulfill the prophecy of Sri Mapanji Jayabaya – “when iron wagons drive without horses and ships sail through the sky a new ratu adil will arrive to restore Hindu-Javanese civilization in the archipelago”.

    Marisa, consider me the Che Guevara of Indonesia, the ‘Commandante’ of the Reconquista of the Great Empire of Majapahit. I promise you that once my mission is completed, money will be in abundance, Jizya-tax shall be abolished, skin-whiteners will be freely available in every puskesmas and all warungs will sell babi guling.

    Bangkitlah Indonesia. Majapahit will rule again. Merdeka.

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