Ahmadiyya

Jan 16th, 2008, in IM Posts, by

Ahmadiyah makes changes to its beliefs and avoids being banned by the government.

Continued from Religious Intolerance and Banning Islamic Sects.

No Ban

Pakem (Pengawas Aliran Kepercayaan Masyarakat, Overseers of the Peoples' Beliefs), made up of representatives of the Attorney General's Office, police, the State Intelligence Agency and the Religious Affairs Ministry, decided on 15th January not to ban Ahmadiyya, despite a fatwa by the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) that had declared Ahmadiyya an heretical Islamic sect. antara

Teacher not Prophet

The decision not to ban the group was made after Ahmadiyya leaders caved into pressure and issued a 12-point statement saying they acknowledged Muhammad as the last prophet, and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was simply a teacher.

Pakem however said it may change its decision if Ahmadiyya failed to fully implement the changes to its formal belief structure, and gave the group 3 months to do so. detik

Wisnu Subroto, the deputy attorney general of intelligence, said:

We will keep watching and evaluating their activities over the next three months. If Ahmadiyya fails to follow through on their declaration, we will discuss later what to do about it.

Jemaat Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) leader Ahmad Basit said his group had the same beliefs as mainstream Islam.

Like other Muslims, Ahmadiyya followers also recite syahadat (the two sentences of faith), acknowledging Muhammad as the last prophet. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only our teacher.

Ahmadiyya also said they would not try to convert other Muslims to their way of thinking, but said they would instead strengthen relations with mainstream Muslims.

Wisnu asked the public to respect Ahmadiyya's goodwill and willingness to change, and accept Pakem's decision.

Still not happy

However about 1,000 Muslims staged a protest in Bandung, West Java to demand the government disband Ahmadiyya. Hedi Muhammad from the West Java Alliance of Muslims said:

The Ahmadiyah organization is as heretical as Al-Qiyadah al-Islamiyah.

And the Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader Ma'ruf Amin said Ahmadiyya's decision to acknowledge Muhammad as the final prophet was not enough to lift the fatwa from the group. Saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was simply a teacher could be interpreted in various ways, worried Maruf. republika

This article in Indonesian - Ahmadiyyah.


196 Comments on “Ahmadiyya”

  1. avatar John Snider says:

    Ahmadiyya sect is ofcource nothing to do with todays Muslims or so called their Islam as todays frustrated Muslims are mostly killing murdering suicide bombing, burning mosque forcing others to convertn and persecution which has nothing to do with Islam or Ahmadiyya.

    No Ahmadiyya claims to be Muslim like them and Ahmadiyya has never done single crime like that. Ahmadiyya is following original Islam

    The Muslims are persecuting Ahmadiyya to become like them and start all above crimes or stop there religion. God forbid this is not Islam which means peace. It is just opposite Islam suppose to be peaceful not what general Muslims are displaying to the world.

  2. avatar yasir ali says:

    I believe that these Ahmediyyas have nothing to do with islam. Mirza ghulam Ahmed qadyani was an agent of British Goverment. And because of him…muslim faced lots of problems and difficulties. Just because of him Non Muslims used bad words about our Last nabi Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sal al laho ali he wassalum. They are enemies of Islam and they should b treated like them. May Allah Keep us muslim always.

  3. avatar Abu Khurshid says:

    Hey Yasir,

    Again you are starting from the basics. You would be shocked if you know who were the secret british agents. First you read atleast one book of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. Then you would know who he is. Don’t copy from others who have never read any of his books. They just copy what others did. Read one of his books.

    Salams
    Abu Khurshid

  4. avatar Elijah says:

    Although reason isn’t self-sufficient to arrive at conclusions about life and death,a rational faith must fulfil one requirement: it must not contradict reason.

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in his book Aarya Dharam p21 gives a statement that a pregnant
    woman can become pregnant with another child during pregnancy which is unscientific enough to imply that he was not inspired by God.

  5. avatar Munawar Ahmed Kanday says:

    To Elijah:
    Spiritual facts are interpreted spiritually, and not physically. Read the whole book please to understand the entire contents therein.

  6. avatar Oigal says:

    It is a direct relationship of one person to his/her God.

    Oh if only that were true, then you wouldn’t have FPI, buck toothed evil little mean preaching hate and destruction on others, MUI and other morons dictating who, what and how other should believe (or not).

    Sorry, while the direct relationship..personal relationship statement is probably one of the most common uttered by the believers it is also the most throughly compromised by (one would hope) the minority thugs and bullies under the guise of the religion.

    I guess the question is where are the true believers who are willing to stand up to those who render such statements as the above to meaningless drivel?

  7. avatar Munawar Ahmed Kanday says:

    Yasir Ali’s comment has NO FACT therein. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was NOT an agent of the British as you were taught by anti-ahmadiyya mullahs. He did stop his followers to oppose the British in India because the British gave FULL freedom of religion to Muslims in India. The British did not ban Islamic preaching in India….. so why oppose ?????
    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the only unbeatable and scholistic preacher of peaceful Islam to all the opponents of Islam of his time who were poisonously propogating against the beautiful Islamic teachings. Yasir Ali has NOT read even a single book of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad… this is the reason he is so negative.
    Be neutral, study the Ahmadiyya dictrine intetively and the books of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, and then say something even if against him.
    Ahmadiyyas are TRUE “AGENTS” of ISLAM, Allah The Almighty, The Prophet Mohammed SalellahhoAlehewasllam and Last book from Allah THE HOLY QURAN……..

  8. avatar Fazal Ahmadi says:

    @ Yasir Ali.

    I read you baseless and bias comment Insha Allah I will try to reply point to point.

    Your first Allegation “I believe that these Ahmediyyas have nothing to do with islam.”

    Dear can you tell me what is the definition of Islam? If you can reply to my question in the light of Quran and hadith it will be highly appreciated.

    Your second allegation: Mirza ghulam Ahmed qadyani was an agent of British Goverment.

    Can you present any evidence in support of your above allegation or you are also simply lying as your illiterate clerics.

    Your third allegation: And because of him…muslim faced lots of problems and difficulties.

    Dear I think you live in jungle not in city where you can get news and reports of present happenings. Why I say so? Is so simple Did Saudi Arabia holder of two most holiest sites of Islam [MAKKAH AND MEDINA] and Kuwait another so-called Islamic State begged to USA, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, HINDUS AND ATHEISTS to crush and ruin a most developed Islamic Nation “IRAQ” are they not Muslims like you or they are AHMADIYYA?

    Who is supporting USA, JEWS AND CHRISTIANS in Afghanistan for killing innocent fellow Muslim brothers and sisters and raping and disgracing Muslim woman, Are they not Muslim like you or Ahmadiyya?

    Who ruined “LAHORE’S LAL MOSQUE” Are they Muslims like you or Ahmadiyya?

    Who were behind present “BOMBAY BLAST” and killed more than 200 innocent men, women and childrens are they not Muslims like you or Ahmadiyya?

    Your fourth Allegation: Just because of him [founder of Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaa’at] Non Muslims used bad words about our Last nabi Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sal al laho ali he wassalum.

    Dear who is “SALMAN RUSHDIE” a Muslim like you or Ahmadiyya?

    Your fifth Allegation: They are [Ahmadiyya] enemies of Islam and they should b treated like them. May Allah Keep us muslim always.

    I leave this answer for the readers let them decide in the light of above facts.

  9. avatar AKShaikh says:

    Ahmadiyyat have nothing to do with Islam as per Quran, Check out this,

    “”[4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away. “”

    and “””[5:45] Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedient to Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learned in the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, and because they were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers. “”

    Whats happening with countries and muslims it have nothing to do with ISLAM,

    LAL MOSQUE is NOt in Lahore its in Islamabad, how and what ahmadis are read Masroor’s letter on http://www.ahmedi.org and tell us. here is the link,

    http://www.ahmedi.org/gazat/AhmadiyyaGazette10?page=11

    About Salman Rushdi ask your elders and you will come to know that his elders were AHMADI,

    My one question, Can anyone prove Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a GENTLEMAN??
    Was he not chasing young girls, married women and use to drink, never performed Hajj although he calls himself “”Raees e Qadian (Lord/Chief of Qadian) he never paid ZAKAT etc .

    For more info and detail visit, http://www.ahmedi.org

  10. avatar Oigal says:

    Who is supporting USA, JEWS AND CHRISTIANS in Afghanistan for killing innocent fellow Muslim brothers and sisters and raping and disgracing Muslim woman,

    begged to USA, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, HINDUS AND ATHEISTS to crush and ruin a most developed Islamic Nation “IRAQ”

    Wow..Straight out of Jihad Monthly Magazine! Iraq was a Islamic Nation..I kinda had Saddam pegged a secular bastard (although not worth a war IMHO). As for the first statement ..breath taking.. to say the least

  11. avatar Elijah says:

    To: Brother Munawar Ahmad Kanday
    Brother, I am an Electrical Engineering student studying in Pakistan. I am not interested in winning the argument, but the post I made was from the depth of my heart. The original manuscripts of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad are in Urdu and Urdu is my native tongue, and I have studied MGA’s writings myself.

    In Islamic law, a pregnant woman if divorced cannot marry anyone else until the birth of child.
    He writes in Arya Dharam p21 Roohani Khazain vol 10 which means in Urdu that:
    Is main hikmat yehi hey kay agar hamal kay doraan nikah ho jai to nasab zaia ho jai gee aur yeh pata nahin chalay gaa kay donon larkay kis kis baap kay hain.
    which means in English:
    The wisdom is that if a pregnant woman marries during pregnancy that lineage would be lost and it would not be clear that who is the father of the two boys.

    Brother! He is not mentioning some spiritual fact rather expounding the wisdom of the law of Iddat. A person who calims to recieve revelation like rain cannot make such statements remarkably contradictory to scientific knowledge which we all claim to be litmus of truth.

    26:127 “No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.” The Holy Quran

  12. avatar Munawar Ahmed Kanday says:

    Mohattram Elijah Bhai… Salaam.
    Thank you very much for your reply to my comment, and also letting me know that you are in Pakistan and that your native language is Urdu.
    I am getting the book in question for myself to read the entire contents therein once again. I will place my comment again online.
    (Allah ki rassi ko mazbooti say pakar lo !) does not mean there is a physical rope hanging somewhere !!!
    Thank you once again for directing my attention to page 21 of Roohani Khzaen Vol 10..
    JzaakAllah.

  13. avatar Elijah says:

    I am very much worried about the Akhirah of my Ahmadi brothers. I have made a decison to dedicate my life for the afterlife of my Ahmadi brothers. I would listen to you my brother as long as you may like. There is nothing more precious for a Muslim than Iman.
    I worry if you may stop corresponding with me. My email address is neorient@gmail.com
    I would correspond with you until either I am an Ahmadi or you leave Ahmadism. I wish if you could cut open my heart to see my sincerity.Brother! not every non-Ahmadi is a liar.
    I believe that you are sincere about the truthfulness of MGA but imagine for a moment if….if…if… he may be liar.

    6:93 And who could be more wicked than he who invents a lie about God, or says, “This has been revealed unto me,” the while nothing has been revealed to him?

    I am worried if you might not be able to reach the original manuscipts.Because if Jamat Ahmadiyyah may have realised the error, it might have been removed from later editions. But I hope you would be willing to search the truth till the last breath of your life, so am I.

    Your future brother in faith:-)

    26:127 “No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.” The Holy Quran

  14. avatar Munawar Ahmed Kanday says:

    Salam
    Not even a single word removed from the original writings… I am sure of that.
    JzaakAllah that you are worried about people’s Aakhira.
    We must remember that 73 sects are within the Ummah.
    I have your email address, I will come back to you.

  15. avatar Waseem Bhat says:

    Now there’s no time to discuss becoz world is becoming like a hell and the reason is I think muslims are fighting to each other and everybody is feeling there must be one person who will lead muslims and show them the right path according to the holy quran. If there’s no leader there’s no unity and we all human beings are like a family, whether he is muslim or hindu or chirstian or whatever we are a big family in this world. We have to love each other then only we can find out a solution. Allegations and hate is not a solution. First of all have a look around you and see what you are doing, if you feel you are not a right person then change yourself, everybody has to change himself. And stop hate.

  16. avatar Your dad says:

    There are times when politeness is the wrong prescription, and after the savage killing of ahmadis this is one.
    Dear Indonesia:
    You are seen as badly behaved children, unable to function as a normal society. We cannot take people like those extremists in the videos seriously. You’re a joke. We consider you to be mentally handicapped, and violent as well.
    We don’t interact with you out of respect. We interact with you because you are a problem, like having a dangerous pest in your basement.
    And the most important message I send you is this: we learn about Islam not from western commentators, but by what happens in Muslim majority societies. And what we learn is the truth.

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