Ahmadiyya

Jan 16th, 2008, in IM Posts, by

Ahmadiyah makes changes to its beliefs and avoids being banned by the government.

Continued from Religious Intolerance and Banning Islamic Sects.

No Ban

Pakem (Pengawas Aliran Kepercayaan Masyarakat, Overseers of the Peoples' Beliefs), made up of representatives of the Attorney General's Office, police, the State Intelligence Agency and the Religious Affairs Ministry, decided on 15th January not to ban Ahmadiyya, despite a fatwa by the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) that had declared Ahmadiyya an heretical Islamic sect. antara

Teacher not Prophet

The decision not to ban the group was made after Ahmadiyya leaders caved into pressure and issued a 12-point statement saying they acknowledged Muhammad as the last prophet, and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was simply a teacher.

Pakem however said it may change its decision if Ahmadiyya failed to fully implement the changes to its formal belief structure, and gave the group 3 months to do so. detik

Wisnu Subroto, the deputy attorney general of intelligence, said:

We will keep watching and evaluating their activities over the next three months. If Ahmadiyya fails to follow through on their declaration, we will discuss later what to do about it.

Jemaat Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) leader Ahmad Basit said his group had the same beliefs as mainstream Islam.

Like other Muslims, Ahmadiyya followers also recite syahadat (the two sentences of faith), acknowledging Muhammad as the last prophet. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only our teacher.

Ahmadiyya also said they would not try to convert other Muslims to their way of thinking, but said they would instead strengthen relations with mainstream Muslims.

Wisnu asked the public to respect Ahmadiyya's goodwill and willingness to change, and accept Pakem's decision.

Still not happy

However about 1,000 Muslims staged a protest in Bandung, West Java to demand the government disband Ahmadiyya. Hedi Muhammad from the West Java Alliance of Muslims said:

The Ahmadiyah organization is as heretical as Al-Qiyadah al-Islamiyah.

And the Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader Ma'ruf Amin said Ahmadiyya's decision to acknowledge Muhammad as the final prophet was not enough to lift the fatwa from the group. Saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was simply a teacher could be interpreted in various ways, worried Maruf. republika

This article in Indonesian - Ahmadiyyah.


196 Comments on “Ahmadiyya”

  1. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    My name is in full public view. I am a Javanese Muslim of Indonesia’s Nahdlatul Ulama.

    You on the other hand is hiding behind a pseudonym and claimed to be Muslim. State your name, your heritage and what branch of Islam? For you to call another Muslim brother ‘stupid’ is unIslamic.

  2. avatar Fazal Ahmadi says:

    A.K.Shaikh

    First I quote your word you said I quote “In ahadith the story of Essa a.s is not a story of A man its the story of THE man, also no Prophet or humanbeing have the authority to appoint a Nabi(they can pray) this authority is with Allah only, when Prophet Mohammad said Essa will Nabi Ullah it means he made sure that he is telling about the Essa ibn Marrium who was Nabi and will Nabi, meaning not a new Nabi.end quote.

    First of all it has to be understood that Ahadith (the sayings of the Holy Prophet saw) is not story so pls. here after when you talk about Ahadith give some respect to it. Please at least for God sake don’t behave like a Jew.

    2. Even a small Muslim child knows that this is Allah who raise a prophet.

    3. How you know that when Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) spokes about the advent
    of Esa (as) he was talking about the Esa ibn Maryam (as) when Muhammad (saw)
    never said this.

    4. It is your practice that when ever you take the name of our beloved prophet Hazrat
    Muhammad (saw) you never ever say Sallallaho Alihe Wasallam or write this even
    in three letters like (saw) even in this particular page also you did the same thing.
    May I ask you what type of Muslim you are?

    5. This is for your kind information that I am the same fazal Ahmadi who exposed
    you and has shown your lies to the world in my several video comments on
    youtube.

    6. You said I quote “and it was done by Mirza sahib once, if you read his books you
    will find, otherwise check “”Majmoua Ishteharat Vol, 1 Page 313. Urdu, thnx” end
    quote.
    A.K.Shaikh once again according to your Sunnah you are trying to mislead
    innocent people, again you mentioned Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as)
    book for reference. Mr.A.K.Shaikh once again I challange you please explain at
    this forum that what Hazrat Mirza Sahib said in the page which you are referring.

  3. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Friends,

    Re pleeezponder & MuslimSunrise

    Both these two alien kafirs were trying to mislead us with their adultered interpretation of the holy Al-Quran. I suspected they are either Paki or sub-Indian fake Muslims, as I smelled curry in every ridiculous postings pasted by them. True Muslims do not isolate the Sunnah from the Quran, that is why we are Sunni.

    I called on both these two curry eaters to come back to the fold of Islam. Be a man , be a Javanese, state your real name like all proud Indonesians.

    Peace.

  4. avatar A.K.Shaikh says:

    Aluang Anak Bayang,
    As you stated that you are sunni can you do me a favour, I need the copy of the statment of jamaat ahmadiyya of Indonesia which is presented to the Govt of Indonesia. I am running website about the ahmadiyya, visit my site, http://www.ahmedi.org and if you join our discussion forum that would be great.

    3. How you know that when Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) spokes about the advent
    of Esa (as) he was talking about the Esa ibn Maryam (as) when Muhammad (saw)
    never said this.>
    Checkout Bukhari, Kitab ul A’anbia, bab Nazool Essa ibn Marrium.
    Mujhy uss zat ki qasam hai jis ke hath mein meri jaan hai ke tum mein zaroor zaroor Massiah ibn Marrium nazil ho ga jo Hakam aur A’adal ban ker tumaharey ikhtalafat ka faisla karey ga…….!

  5. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Ass. A.K.Shaikh

    I thank you kindly for your invitation to join your site’s forum discussion. I will certainly visit it and present some invaluable Javanese wisdoms to the sub-Indians, Bengalis and the Pakistanis.

    Re the statement of Jamaat Ahmadiyya of Indonesia, it was marked ‘classified’ by Wisnu Subroto. As the name suggested, Wisnu Subroto is a Javanese. As caretaker of the Malay nusantara, there is no way a Javanese would allow outside interference in our affair.

    Wasalam.

  6. avatar Fazal Ahmadi says:

    Mr. A. K. SHAIKH.

    Thank you for presenting the Hadith. But as per your tradition and Sunnah you have quoted just a small portion of above mentioned Hadith. And that is also in Urdu. As you know that you are writing in Indonesian forum which, is in English language, you must mention the Hadith in English then only the reader will know what is there is that Hadith. any how full Hadith is as follows.

    ” Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.” Abu Huraira added “If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): — ‘And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them.”

    First I would like to present only that portion of the Hadith which, you have quoted in Urdu language i.e as “Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler);

    Now I would like to discuss about the remaining portion of the above mentioned Hadith and look in to the reason that why Mr.A.K.Shaikh stimulated the remaining portion?

    The second portion of the Hadith which Mr. A.K.SHAIKH stimulated speaks about the works of Esa ibn Maryam.

    In this portion of the said Hadith our beloved Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw) says that when Esa Ibn Maryam (as) will descend he will break the cross and he will kill the pigs.

    First of all it has to be understood that; what the Holy Quran says about Esa Ibn Maryam (as)? The Holy Quran says that Esa Ibn Maryam (as) was the prophet for Bani Israel (Israelis). Now if the same Esa Ibn Maryam will be coming then definitely he will come for the Israelis not for the Muslims, because it is our faith that the words of the Holy Quran is final and an iota of the Holy Quran cannot be changed. Therefore according to the verdict of the Holy Quran Esa will be only for the Israelis.

    2nd thing Esa should break the cross at his advent. Now the question arise that what is the meaning of breaking of Cross?

    Is Esa Ibn Maryam will roam to every lane and street of this world to break the cross? Is it possible for a human being? No not at all.

    Meaning of breaking of Cross is that Esa Ibn Maryam will break and destroy the faith of those who says that after crucification he went to heaven and he was there. Unfortunately majority of Muslims accepted the faith of Christians as their faith.

    Alhamdolillah we Ahmadi Muslims faith on this particular topic are quite different than other Majority of Muslims. We believe that Allah Almighty has sent Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as) as Esa Ibn Maryam according to the prophecies and timing mentioned by of our beloved Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw).

    And Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as) has shown us from the Holy Quran that Esa Ibn Maryam has been died as a natural death in this world. Therefore we Ahmadi Muslims are not sharing our faith with the bearer of Cross (Christians) like other majority of Muslims that the Esa Ibn Maryam is sitting on heaven. Hence Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) has did the work of breaking the cross.

    Third thing in this Hadith our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw) said that “Esa Ibn Maryam will kill the pigs.

    Now the question arise that “Should Allah send His Nabi to kill the pigs? May I ask the readers that since Adam till the last law bringing prophet our beloved Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ever any prophet did the work of killing of pigs? Killing of Pigs is a work of a Nabi?

    Can Mr.A.K.Shaikh reply to my above questions?

    In my last post I challenged A.K.Shaik to present the text of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian (as) book (Majmoua Ishteharat Vol, 1 Page 313. Urdu). But he maintained silence at this. May I ask Why?

    If Mr. A.K.Shaikh is a Muslim and believe in “QULU QAULAN SADIDA” then he must present the page in front of the readers of this forum.

    If he is not a Jew then he will present the above mention page. Let people see what Hazrat Mirza Sahib has written there.

  7. avatar IcantSay says:

    Shaikh Saab, here is the URL of the transcript you asked for.

    http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/2008/01/25/translation-of-qadiani-jamaat-indonesia-statement/

    Your friend…
    you know who…

  8. AKSHAIKH IS BIG LIAR
    *********************
    *********************

    AKshaikh in his video youtube told a story that he doesnot believbe on comming Massiah and Comming Imam Mehdi Aliah Salaam, and he also said that he doesnot belive on any Hadith, now he quoted Hadith, in Quran Karim that clearly mentioned that Hazrat Eesa Aliah Salaam Died. in Surah Maeeda versue no 117 tawafee words used for Hazrat Eesa Aliah Salam tawafee mean death. If you go and ask to any person who knows arabic just ask to know him what is meaning of God. The person let you know what is meaning of Tawafee

    When Quran-e-Karim gave you full evidence the death of Hazrat Eesa ALiah Salaam how can we ignore this comment.

    Lanat on AKSHAIKH
    ****************
    ****************

    Akshaikh quoted a hadith and his video on youtube he said he doesnot believe on AKShaikh and his following url he said he doesnot believe on 2 Comming Eesa PBH
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AEzeSLj_yDA
    But here he is quoted a Hadith of 2nd Comming Hazrat Eesa Aliah Salaam. that is only Ellahi Lanat on AKShaikh and nothing else.

    Fazal Ahmadi Challange to AKSHAIKH
    ******************************
    ******************************
    Fazal Ahmadi challenge Akshaikh to reply what were asked by Fazal Ahmadi but AKShaikh doesnot have dare to reply him properly he runaway

    Now I requested to all friends just ask him if he doesnot believe on Hazrat EesaPBUH in his video why he is quoting the Hadith

    That is only Lanat on him and nothing

    Khaksaar

    Bashir UD DIn Mehmood Ahmed

  9. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Dear all Curry Brothers,

    I welcome you all to Indonesian Blog. By visiting our site and learning from us, I am sure you will gain much needed Javanese wisdom to be applied back home. Afterall we are all Asians and we do not mind exporting our peaceful Javanese Islamic values to the Indian sub-continent. First, please goggle search ‘honor killing’ and check the background and religion of the donkeys who did it. Your daughter got raped and you killed her; your daughter forgot to wear the jilbab and you killed her; your daughter did not want arranged marriage and you killed her. We love our Bu Megawati whereas you think Bu Benazir Bhutto is a whore. It is easy to blame ‘misfits who got the wrong quranic interpretation’, but you people are as ‘Sunni’ as Javanese Muslims, aren’t you? Now Ahmadiyya in Indonesia concerned you. What are you going to do with them?

    Please stay around as long as you can.

    Wasalam.

  10. avatar Fazal Ahmadi says:

    Dear Muslim Sunrise.

    Thank you for excellent piece of information on Ahmadiyyat.

    Since I entere in this forum Mr.A.K.Shaikh has ran away from the site. If you want to know much about the lies of A.K.Shaikh’s just log on to following link you will be surprise by seeing that a man can go such a low level.

    A.K.Shaikh has given the reference of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian (as) book in his comment and when I asked him to present the page at this forum, let the visitor know that what Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as) has written in those pages. In place of presenting the writing of Hazrat Mirza Sahib’s book A.K.Shaikh ran away from this forum.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/fazalahmadi

  11. avatar Lairedion says:

    Mas Aluang said:

    First, please goggle search ‘honor killing’ and check the background and religion of the donkeys who did it. Your daughter got raped and you killed her; your daughter forgot to wear the jilbab and you killed her; your daughter did not want arranged marriage and you killed her. We love our Bu Megawati whereas you think Bu Benazir Bhutto is a whore. It is easy to blame ‘misfits who got the wrong quranic interpretation’, but you people are as ‘Sunni’ as Javanese Muslims, aren’t you?

    We can add another fine chapter of Pakistani Militants behaviour:


    Pakistani pupils ‘held hostage’

  12. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Curry for Peace.

    To all Paki, Bengali and Indian Muslim brothers. I take your non-response as having seen the light of Javanese brotherhood. Be it Ahmadiyyah follower, Mohammaddiyah followers, Esa followers or Buddha followers; we don’t kill each other because of different faith, we light-brown and dark-brown brothers should unite against all dirty Bules in Thailand and the Phillipines; and especially Oz (anglo-saxon) Bules preying on our children.

  13. avatar Miss Rufo Basheeruddin says:

    Curry for Peace.

    To all Paki, Bengali and Indian Muslim brothers. I take your non-response as having seen the light of Javanese brotherhood. Be it Ahmadiyyah follower, Mohammaddiyah followers, Esa followers or Buddha followers; we don’t kill each other because of different faith, we light-brown and dark-brown brothers should unite against all dirty Bules in Thailand and the Phillipines; and especially Oz (anglo-saxon) Bules preying on our children.

    Dear all Curry Brothers,

    I welcome you all to Indonesian Blog. By visiting our site and learning from us, I am sure you will gain much needed Javanese wisdom to be applied back home. Afterall we are all Asians and we do not mind exporting our peaceful Javanese Islamic values to the Indian sub-continent. First, please goggle search ‘honor killing’ and check the background and religion of the donkeys who did it. Your daughter got raped and you killed her; your daughter forgot to wear the jilbab and you killed her; your daughter did not want arranged marriage and you killed her. We love our Bu Megawati whereas you think Bu Benazir Bhutto is a whore. It is easy to blame ‘misfits who got the wrong quranic interpretation’, but you people are as ‘Sunni’ as Javanese Muslims, aren’t you? Now Ahmadiyya in Indonesia concerned you. What are you going to do with them?

    Please stay around as long as you can.

    Wasalam.

    This cannot be from a Muslim, its from a racist and most probably an oz basket. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, ISLAM MIS FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD INCLUDING AUSTARLIA… GO DEAL WITH IT MR CHILD OF CONVICTS….;)

    Islam has nothing to with race, colour or ethnicity…… this is basic rule that you forgot before pretending to be a MUSLIM… you fool..

  14. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Ass. Miss Rufo Basheeruddin.

    In the name of Allah the Beneficent; the Merciful, the Master of the day of Judgement, I
    greet you in the name of Allah.

    By ‘Curry for Peace’ I mean we should exchange curry recipes instead of prying into other people’s private business, and destroying lives. In the past, traders from the Indian subcontinents visited our Nusantara to trade and exchanged ideas. We got along very well with them and had embraced and adopted some of their culture. Even to this days, many of us still prefer Sankrist names to Arab’s; much to the dismay of many overseas Muslim brothers who had haram-ed traditional names. Mbak Rufo Basheeruddin, may I ask what your ethnicity is? I have tried many curry recipes, and in my opinion, Malaysian curry tastes better. In case you don’t know, all curries in the nusantara were originally from India but we have modified some ingredients. Here is one of my favourite Indonesia curry recipe:

    Grounded together

    Roasted Candlenuts, Coriander, Roasted Cumin, Aniseed, Nutmeg, Red chilies, Shallots, Garlic, Chopped turmeric, Chopped ginger and salt

    Ingredients:

    Chicken, Lime juice or tamarind juice, Salt, Oil, Shallots, finely sliced Cinnamon stick, Star anise, Cloves, Cardamoms, Lemon grass, bruised Pandanus leaves, shredded, knotted Curry leaves, Coconut milk, Roasted shredded coconut and pounded.

    … a racist and most probably an oz basket.

    I couldn’t agree with you more. 🙂 These people still have active genes from their convict criminal ancestry; and probably still think that all Asians should be chained up and shot.

    I fully agree with you that Islam is the fastest growing religion as we are on a triumphant march across the globe by migrating to Christian areas and having high birth rate. Insyallah we will reach 3 billions by year 2015.

    Mbak Rufo Basheeruddin, I leave you with this beautiful ayat:

    “To you your religion, and to me, mine” (Surat al- Al-Kafirun: 6)

    Wasalam.

    ps. Please don’t forget your curry recipe in your next reply.

  15. avatar Janma says:

    This cannot be from a Muslim, its from a racist and most probably an oz basket. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, ISLAM MIS FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD INCLUDING AUSTARLIA”¦ GO DEAL WITH IT MR CHILD OF CONVICTS”¦.;)

    So…. let me get this right…… Aluang is a racist because he gave you a curry recipe. And you are a good muslim because you are NOT the child of convicts?

  16. avatar Lairedion says:

    Cool, this thread is turning into an exchange of recipes. 8)

  17. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Assamualaikum warahmatullohi wabaratakuh Brother Aluang Anak Bayang

    You said

    I fully agree with you that Islam is the fastest growing religion as we are on a triumphant march across the globe by migrating to Christian areas and having high birth rate. Insyallah we will reach 3 billions by year 2015.

    “Asyhadu an la ila ha illalah waasyhadu anna Muhammadar rasulullah.” (I witness there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet)

    Alhamdulillah! One more Muslim. This brings the total number of believers up to 1.327.681.574 *.

    Wassalam
    * dead Muslims and apostates included

  18. […] of Christ’s Peace Church in South Duri (West Jakarta) from celebrating mass.” According to Indonesia Matters, the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam, a peaceful sect which believes there was a prophet named “Mirza […]

  19. avatar Aziz says:

    Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

    I personally believe that religion is something personal, as we read in surah al-kafiroon. People will believe in whatever they believe as long as they find some truth, or happiness, tranquility in that belief. Be it Ahmadi Muslim, non Ahmadi Muslim, Christian, etc. As far as Ahmadi Muslims are concerned, vast majority of them are happy with what they belief. They do not see any untruthfulness in the Jemaat founded by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. They do not see any fraud figures in the Jemaat. They do not see any problem with contributing funds to the organization. On the contrary many are happy and glad they are able to contribute in the cause of religion. The expenses are transparent for everyone to see. Its not a money making machinery as claimed by some. The Ahmadiyya Jemaat has survived for more than 100 yrs and ever growing, exactly as what Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad prophesied through revelation to him by Allah. If we believe in a true Living God then we should belief this. Someone has said that the Jemaat is like a bouncing ball. The more your throw it or hit it, the more it bounces. Many want to see this Jemaat destroyed but Allah has not willed it yet and so it will never happen!

  20. avatar Miss Rufo Bashiruddeen says:

    AZIZ

    I personally believe that religion is something personal, as we read in surah al-kafiroon. People will believe in whatever they believe as long as they find some truth, or happiness, tranquility in that belief. Be it Ahmadi Muslim, non Ahmadi Muslim, Christian, etc. As far as Ahmadi Muslims are concerned, vast majority of them are happy with what they belief.

    Try telling this to Basheeruddin Mehmood, the second khalifa of ahmadiyya who declared evrry Muslam a KAFIR and everyone who has not even herad of mir Ghulam Ahemd.


    1) that I propagated the belief that Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was actually
    a Nabi; (2) the belief that he was ‘the Ahmad’ spoken of in the prophecy of Jesusas referred to in the Holy Quran in Al-Saff 61:7; and (3) the belief that all those
    so-called Muslims who have not entered into his Bai’at formally, wherever they may be, are kuffar and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiahas. That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I
    readily admit. What I deny is the statement that I have been entertaining these views since 1914 or only three or four years before. On the contrary, as I shall presently show, the first and the last of these beliefs were entertained by me even during the lifetime of the Promised Messiah”.
    Unquote:

    here is link FROM THEIR OFFICIAL WEBSITE.
    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Truth-about-the-Split.pdf

    Mirza not only declared All Muslim Kafir, but also advised his followers to hate other
    Musilms. He declared:

    1. Abrogation of Jihad againt quran. He also falsely confued Jihad with terrorism.
    2. Requiring belief in Mirza Qadiani to remain (or to become) a muslim.
    3. Prohibiting offering funeral prayers of muslims.
    4. Prohibiting offering prayers behind a muslim imam.
    5. Prohibiting marriages with muslims.
    6. Forced his followers to pay a chanda ( a forced tax) against Islamic teachings where only volantary donation is encouarged. Other tax is zakat which is levied on rich and able and bnot to be paid to head of state.

    IF ANYONE REALLY WANTS TO SEE THE TRUE FACE OF MIRZA QADIANI, HE / SHE MUST ASK THE TRANSL;ATION OF HIS BOOKS. ASK FOR TRANBSLATION OF “ARYA DHARAM” in Roohani Khazine to start with…

  21. avatar Miss Rufo Bashiruddeen says:

    This an excerpts from Mirza ghulam Qadiani’s Roohani Khazine vol. 11, Zamima Anjam-e-Atham, page 291, online its http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-11-33.pdf pdf page 293 of 350.

    Translation:

    ” He ( Essaa.s. or Jesus Christ) might have healed some nominal sickness. But to his bad luck, in his era, there was a pond which showed great signs. It is possible that he was using clay from that pond. That pond clearly reveales the reality of his miracals, and that pond has revealed that if at all he showed any miracals, that miracal was not his, it was of the pond. And in his hand there was nothing except fraud and deception. ( mgaq is directly challenging Allahs words) Again sorry for these stupid Christians who are accpeting such a person as god.

    His family is also very noble and clean ( a pun). His three paternal grand mothers and maternal grandmothers were adultrous and whores, whose blood was part of his making. Probably that was one of the conditions for godhood”¦ His mingling with and company of prostitutes is probably due to his ancestarl connection, otherwise no pious
    man will let a yong hore touch his head with her impure hands and massage his head and feet with perfume bought from her earnings (as pros). Those who can understand can gauge the character of such a man. “

    Please be aware that Muslims do not have such beliefs as above my Mirza qadiani. Muslims respect and revere Jesus Christ as one of the greatest prophets of God and Quran confirms his high status.

    Those who do not know URDU, ask anyone to translate the above referred paragraph in your local language to see for yourselves.

  22. […] was reported in the Jakarta Post, and on the ‘Indonesia Matters’ Blog that Ahmadiyya Leaders in Indonesia ‘caved in’ to pressure from national political and […]

  23. avatar Waheed says:

    Salam,

    As an Ahmadi I want to clear some points here.

    The Indonesia jam’aat NEVER said that the Promised Messiah (AS) was only a teacher.

    I am going to ask you all ( esp. those with brains ) a simple question:

    What does that Kalimah mean?
    “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad (SAW) is his messenger”.

    I can guarantee that even if Satan “shetan” said the Kalimah loud and clear, Allah would not be angry about it, if not happy.

    No matter who says the Kalimah, a true muslim must be happy, and I swear no true muslim would ever stop someone from saying the Kalimah.

    Only enemies of Islam would prevent others from saying the Kalimah.

    Why then do Non-Ahmadi Mullahs do all they can to prevent us from saying the Kalimah???

    Just incase you are still wondering, They are the enemies of Islam

    And as far as Religion and Beliefs are concerned, just open the Holy Qur’an ( that is if you still have one ) and read Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 257

    There is no compulsion in religion

    For God sake, even a blind, deaf and foolish man would understand what that means, yet you follow these mullahs that try to impose beliefs and religion unto others?

    Hell is a reality, avoid it.

  24. avatar Miss Rufo Bashiruddeen says:

    Waheed

    You have seen the refernce given above, can you answer the foillowing:

    – Do you agree with your khaleefa 2, Basheeruddin Mehmood who is also son of mirza qadiani that every one who did not do bait is outside Islam and KAFIR, even if one has not heard mirza qadianis name?

    – Do you believe that Mirza Ghulam qadiani is a true prophet of God as per your faith? Your official press release from Ahmadiyya jamaat says that ” mirza qadiani is a true prophet of god”?

    – Do you believe in Mirza qadiani’s words, which according to your faith are devine revealations, which say the following words for Jesus Christ, “His family is also very noble and clean ( a pun). His three paternal grand mothers and maternal grandmothers were adultrous and whores, whose blood was part of his making. Probably that was one of the conditions for godhood”¦ His mingling with and company of prostitutes is probably due to his ancestarl connection, otherwise no pious
    man will let a yong hore touch his head with her impure hands and massage his head and feet with perfume bought from her earnings (as pros). Those who can understand can gauge the character of such a man. “

    – Do you know Miss Rufo?

    And stop this hypocricy

  25. avatar Fazal Ahmadi says:

    Mr. Waheed.

    Assalam o Alaikum Warahmatullah Wabarkatahu.

    Just for your kind information that “Miss Rufo Bashiruddeen” is none other than A.K.SHAIKH. This is A.K.SHAIKH’S his fake id.

    A.K.Shaikh don’t have courage to stand in front of me therefore he ran away from the forum and re-entered with the help of his fake id i.e “Miss Rufo Bashiruddeen” he use the same id on youtube.com also to post abusive comments. To prove he is a liar just read my following comment which I posted on January 28, 2008 at this forum.

    Fazal Ahmadi Says:
    January 28th, 2008 at 12:56 am
    “A.K.Shaikh has given the reference of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian (as) book in his comment and when I asked him to present the page at this forum, let the visitor know that what Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as) has written in those pages. In place of presenting the writing of Hazrat Mirza Sahib’s book A.K.Shaikh ran away from this forum”.

    If he is a gentleman he should present the page which he mentioned in his post. To know more about A.K.SHAIKH, his lies and his fake id just watch my video ” A.K.Shaik the liar calls a publicly available text a secret” by clicking following link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4IsxhaA1eo

  26. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Assalamualaikum

    Curry recipes please.

    Wasalam.

  27. avatar Miss Rufo Bashiruddeen says:

    Just for your kind information that “Miss Rufo Bashiruddeen” is none other than A.K.SHAIKH. This is A.K.SHAIKH’S his fake id.

    Now I believe that its common for qadianis and ghulam ahmedis to lie and cheat people with their falsehood. I am noy A K Sheikh and you are a liar…case closed.

    Now, come to the point, and reply to us, do you believe in Mirza qadiani as a Nabi or not?

    Do you consider everyone who does not take bait of Mirza qadiani a KAFIR and out side Islam, as your khalifa sani beleves?

    ( just for those who don’t know, khalifa sani, a self appointed ‘Musleh mouood’ also known as khalifa zani for his devlish past and stories of zana.. Ms Rufo, an Italian whore, spent nights as Mirza ghulam qadianis house in Qadian with khalifa zani, which khalifa zani accepted….) Mr. Fazal Ahmedi, Please tell us what excuse khalifa zani gave to you for taking her to Qadian?

    Do you believe that according to Mirza ghulam, said about Jesus Christ, “His family is also very noble and clean ( a pun). His three paternal grand mothers and maternal grandmothers were adultrous and whores, whose blood was part of his making. Probably that was one of the conditions for godhood”¦ His mingling with and company of prostitutes is probably due to his ancestarl connection, otherwise no pious
    man will let a yong hore touch his head with her impure hands and massage his head and feet with perfume bought from her earnings (as pros). Those who can understand can gauge the character of such a man. “

    Don’t you now run away, answer these questions.

  28. avatar Lairedion says:

    Assalamualaikum

    Curry recipes please.

    Wasalam.

    Aluang’s hungry for curry
    South Asians not in a hurry
    Rather busy to scurry
    And causing a massive flurry
    From India to Surrey
    Making this thread blurry
    They should start feeling sorry
    Cause Aluang’s in a worry
    He’s not getting any curry!

  29. avatar Abu khurshid says:

    Pls! hold the topic and comments. The best way to eliminate the Ahmadiyyas is to pray to Almighty. Pray to Allah that He should send back the Prophet of the Jewish community who has to descend and save the Muslim Ummah. What does he doing there for years? Just praying and paying charity ? . ( as per Quran it is the duty for him to do and it seems that the Prophet of Jew is keeping more people there with him to receive the charity. Take care!) So it is the duty of the Ummah to pray repeatedly to send back the prophet of the Jewish to break the cross and kill the Dajjal. But here we have a problem. What is the problem? You have pray to Allah to send the Dajjal first. Without Dajjal, the Jewish Prophet’s arrival is not required as foretold. So pray to Allah to send the Dajjal first. Again problem. For Dajjal’s arrival you should pray to Allah to send Dajjal’s donkey first. Pls pray repeatedly to send Dajjal’s donkey first and all issues will be solved. Ahmadiyya will be eliminated completely. Then the Jewish Prophet will rule over the Muslim Ummah the true followers of the Holy Prophet (SAL). The Ummah seriously needs a Prophet from the Jewish origin. What to do? Pls pray with whole heart and shed your tears in front of Allah. Your true Prayers should eliminate and wipe out Ahmadiyyas from this world whose basic, fundamental belief is that the Jewish Prophet is dead and the Prophet from the Holy Prophet (SAL) Ummah has taken place as foretold. The most easiest way is now given to eliminate the Ahmadiyyas. No need for any Governments, Armed Forces, Jihadis or any sort of worldly power. Just pray. Pryayer is your weapon. Use this weapon and get Dajjal’s donkey.

  30. avatar Jawad Sultan says:

    Don’t listen to ‘Abu khurshid’ guys. He’s leading you to the wrong path. The path to hell and beyond. Prayers are futile. If Allah cared about the Muslims he would have destroyed the Qadianis already. He is testing the Muslims. He is testing their resolve and their faith. You need to disband the Qadianis yourself. If Muslims are to be the greatest people on earth they must take matter in their own hands. The Qadianis are the only thing stopping us from reaching that ultimate goal of total salvation. When the Jewish prophet comes from the heavens riding on the back of angels to save Islam from the Jews and the Christians, Muslims should give him the good news that they have destroyed the Qadianis. The Longest living of all humans, the person who has stopped aging by the grace of God, the Holiest of the Holy our most beloved of the Jewish Prophets, Jesus will be very happy with the Muslims and reward them handsomely in this world and the next.

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