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1. Ross Says:
   December 6th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

   Reductio ad absurdum is not a valid argument. Of course nobody advocates beating kids to death.
   I posted a reasonable opinion piece, with serious examples of mayhem after corporal punishment was abolished in one region, and some cases of spoilt brats here who grew up to be vicious.

   When I was a kid, on the farm, I used to be mean to the ants in their ant-hill outside our house, just poking it with sticks till they all erupted, scurrying to and fro, no doubt growling and snarling in inaudible ant-voices.
   Most posters here react in similar vein, and by chance those ants were red ones too.
   Ogle favours us with his vengeful feelings for being punished at school, though is silent as to why he got whacked. But he’s right when he says ‘it just never ends with this guy.’ I shall continue to input non-left posts just to break up your monopoly.
   Snobby Achmad, unwilling to argue with somebody he’s never laid eyes on but accuses of lurking in ‘filthy dives,’ lacking ‘personal hygiene’ and ‘using a rusty type-writer,’ all inaccurate, offers unreadable supercilious crap about how to write, which he is scarcely qualified to give. Then he makes light of pedophilia, and indeed tries to say that those of us who object to the promotion of an evil practice are themselves the deviants! By the same token,we anti-communists are presumably pushing a sneaky marxist agenda and our demands for real punishment for thugs is a cover for our own nefarious crimes.
   Illogical, stuck-up, a person for whom no respect is due, hunkered down in his posh residence, looking down on all noraml folk outside his pampared sphere. Sad, really is poor Achmad, and his name-dropping of books he’s read, maybe, so erudite, and yet a foul-mouth.Can’t really believe he is Indonesian.

2. Achmad Sudarsono Says:
   December 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pm

   Rossy-Poo,

   * On pedophelia. Well, Ross, it’s just not really that controversial. 99.9 % (hopefully more) of people I know think it’s so nasty and twisted that the word “pedophilia” is a byword for mental illness and perversion. Saying “pedophilia’s bad,” is a bit like saying, “hitting grannies is bad,” or “stealing money from five-year olds,” is bad. So, ok, Ross: pedophelia’s bad. Happy ?

   * On your writing, only onebook quoted and one article.

   Article: “Politics and the English Language” by George Orwell.

   Book: “Fowlers Guide to English Usage” by Fowler.

   Please read them. Please.

   Another couple of tips:

   Supercilious: Ross, Ross, sunshine. Have you learned nothing ? Supercilious is a wanky, academic word, you’ve thrown in there to sound smarter. Ross, Ross, old boy, it’s the substance of an argument, not its window-dressing, that makes it compelling.

   Nefarious crimes.: This is like “heinous sins.” Just say crimes, Ross. Don’t clutter up the sentence.

   Happy to “debate” more once you’ve got on top of the few of the basics of communications.

   Achmad.

3. Achmad Sudarsono Says:
   December 6th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

   P.S. Ross, just as Martin Luther King said some White men couldn’t take a Black man telling them how to be civilized, I don’t think you can take the truth – or language tips – from me, a Brown Man.

4. Ross Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 8:37 am

   Not quite- just find Indonesians polite, and can discuss without obscenities like w***y and w****er, nor do they make a habit of ignorant allegations about antagonists and decline to apologise when corrected.
   You are glib, probably good enough to sell used cars, but hardly literate or educated enough to tell anyone how to communicate. I would be embarrassed if my posts were on the pedantic, nit-picking level that most of yours seem to be, though to be fair I see why that’s easier than rational argument.
   Name-dropping, Orwell or Arendt, is not a substitute for debate, and besides I suspect most people have read more books, (in my case, all of Orwell’s, because they are fun to read) than you, judging from the shallowness of your input. Pick up some history or philosophy to read over the holidays.
   Nefarious, by the way, like heinous, indicates a degree of seriousness in the crimes referred to, eg. a fine for double parking may be an offence, but it is neither heinous nor nefarious, whereas defamation of character, such as you delight in, is more heinous, indeed nefarious. Buy a dictionary; I’m sure you can afford it.

5. Achmad Sudarsono Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 9:03 am

   Ross,

   What’s there to debate ? You worked yourself up into a frenzy over the right to spank children. It’s not as if there is a shortage of other problems to worry about in Indonesia. Um, let’s think, the problems of a young democracy that’s trying to revive its economy, for start. There’s that little meeting in Bali this week, of course.

   Here’s the debate: Some people think it’s ok to spank children. Some people don’t. Most people agree it’s not a good idea, if you do issue a light smack now and then, not to do it too hard. It’s hardly a case of “decadent” western practices being forced upon the Third World. There are just bigger things going on the world, Rossy.

   Mastering intermediate English will help you opine on the issues.

   Worlds like nefarious and heinous aren’t wrong. They’re just bad usage, bad taste, like that stained and tattered Batik shirt you wear to every social function, embarrassing the locals with pidgeon Bahasa Indonesia,while you elbow your way to the last dregs of free Bir Bintang.

   In these posts, I’m actually giving you, Ross, a spanking by taking your stuffy conservatism and sticking it in the place were you usually sit.

   The advice doesn’t come from me, Achmad Sudarsono. It comes from the acknowledged greats of English usage.

   A bit more help for you.
   
   Ross’s version:

   I would be embarrassed if my posts were on the pedantic, nit-picking level that most of yours seem to be, though to be fair I see why that’s easier than rational argument.
   Name-dropping, Orwell or Arendt, is not a substitute for debate, and besides I suspect most people have read more books, (in my case, all of Orwell’s, because they are fun to read) than you, judging from the shallowness of your input.

   Achmad’s version:

   I would be embarrassed if my posts were on the pedantic, nit-picking level of most of yours. To be fair, though, I can see why it’s easier than rational argument.

   (I’d actually say crappy rhetoric’s easier than reason).

   Name-dropping, Orwell or Arendt, is not a substtitute for debate. I suspect most people have read more books, given the shallowness of your input. (I’ve read all of Orwells, because they are fun).

   As you can see, Ross, my versions are snappier, clearer, and have better usage than your verbose and cluttered rantings. This exchange is a bit like Mozart and Salieri in the film Amadeus, where Mozart composes a variation on a tune by the plodder Salieri. Enjoy.

6. Oigal Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 11:13 am

   Ogle favours us with his vengeful feelings for being punished at school, though is silent as to why he got whacked.

   Does it matter, perhaps I was not as smart to pick things up as fast as should have, perhaps I was plain naughty. I certainly make no bones that some teachers really make a positive difference on my learning, others (too many) were just life’s little failures.

   Doesn’t really matter, a bully is a bully. As I said the point was proven some years later, Funny part was he cried as an adult, I never did as a child. As I said before, if some arse belts my child then he had better be prepared to stand and deliver with someone his own size (or in my case probably bigger).

7. Ross Says:
   December 10th, 2007 at 8:48 am

   ‘my versions are snappier, clearer…’ hey, Big-head and Non-Indonesian -no way would any local show such insufferable arrogance. Take stock of yourself. You are reduced to to insults about my shirts, which you have seen none of, since we do not mix in the same circles. Some of us work, for a start, which means we don’t have more than a few short breaks per week to reply to your almost daily, and increasingly hysterical, postings.
   re batik- I have about six, none of them stained, and a social function that lets the likes of you past the door would have little attraction for normal folk. When you grow up sufficiently to argue like a civilised person, submit something coherent so it can be debated.

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