Muslim Beliefs

Oct 30th, 2007, in IM Posts, by

The almost frenzied war on Muslim heretics.

There have been a very large number of reports in the media over the "problem" of Islamic and pseudo Islamic sects and cults, most notably concerning the group Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah (whose leader claims to be a prophet), mostly on Java and Sumatra, and some others such as Al Quran Suci and Tatanan Persatuan Quran (TPQ), both in Bandung, and many others. antara

Police & Mob Action

There have been a considerable number of attacks on Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah members in the past week, following the MUI fatwa against the group. Many sect members have been arrested, or detained by police for their own safety.

Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah
Citizen's arrest of Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah member in Sleman, Central Java. l6

Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader Amidhan complained that the government was too weak in handling the problem of heresy. However he said militant Islamic groups that attacked heretics had to be reined in, and said policemen were often afraid of facing such groups. He urged people to not attack sect members. If Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah members were arrested it was not to put them in jail but to bring them back to the right path of true Islam. antara hukumonline

Banning

In Jakarta General Sutanto of the police says Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah will not be tolerated in the city, and he ordered police nationwide to arrest its leaders. antara The "Tim Pakem" (Pengawas Aliran Kepercayaan Masyarakat, Overseers of the Peoples' Beliefs), part of the Attorney General's office (see Shia Islam), has agreed to ban the group detik However one report says that in order for the group to be banned the president must make a written instruction. bip

On 26th October Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) chairman Kholil Ridwan asked the president, as the leader of a Muslim nation, to take a firm stand against heresy, and ban Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah. If the president and his ministers did not try to protect Islam they would answer for their non-action in the hereafter, he said. detik

Media

The issue has been prominently featured on news networks.

War

On 28th October the Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) and the Lembaga Dakwah Islam Indonesia (LDII) agreed to "wage war" on sects and cults that wrongly claimed to be Islamic. NU Associate Chairman Said Aqiel Siradj said: antara

If it is only ikhtilaf (differences in opinion) like those on the dates of Muslim holidays, it doesn't matter but if it deals with a question of prophethood, it concerns syariah, it is a matter of Islamic law

The leader of Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah claims to be a prophet, while Muslims believe there can be no prophets after Muhammad.

Comically or not, the Lembaga Dakwah Islam Indonesia (Indonesian Islamic Propagation League, LDII) was once itself banned by the government, in 1971, when it was known as Islam Jama'ah, and only recently managed to avoid having a fatwa made against it by the MUI for being exclusivist.

Conspiracies

Achmad Satori Ismail of the Ikatan Dai Indonesia (IKADI) and MUI said in Surabaya on 24th October that foreigners were spreading religious deviancy in Indonesia. He said the MUI had interrogated sect members and found that they couldn't even read the Quran, and they mentioned that they were receiving payments from a certain country. Certain countries sought to destroy Indonesia, he said, but didn't say whether it was America, Israel, Australia, or Burkina Faso. antara

Mashadi, chairman of the Forum Umat Islam (FUI), said on 26th October that the existence of Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah was part of a systematic plot by certain groups to create discord among Muslims, and to hijack true Islam. detik


16 Comments on “Muslim Beliefs”

  1. avatar Peter says:

    Certain countries sought to destroy Indonesia, he said, but didn’t say whether it was America, Israel, Australia, or Burkina Faso.

    Burkina Faso????? LOL

  2. avatar Peter says:

    And that news clip was pretty ridiculous.. They might as well have used the music from “JAWS”. Seems a little dangerous to be “stirring the pot” with such a presentation. We never know when Indonesians will go amok-amok again.

  3. avatar Sylvester says:

    It is better that these people busy with their internal issues than attacking other religions.

  4. avatar Djoko says:

    It was a joke watching the today’s dialogue on metroTV last nite. On the one hand you had the MUI guy who was trying to say (though in a dancing around the topic kind of way) that sinister forces were behind sects like this, trying to discredit Islam (Jews perhaps? American Jews? American-Crusader-Zionist Jews?). On the other hand you had the guy from Jaringan Islam Liberal who continues that organisation’s line of defending the teachings of any and all sects which manage to rear their head with a membership of 10 or more.

    Al Qiyadah al Islamiyah is clearly a heretical sect (seriously, would Christians on this forum accept if Muslims started saying ‘hey we’re Christians too, we believe in Jesus…. just not that he was the son of God or even the last of the messengers God sent to us). As such it should be treated as one – by ignoring it. Catholics in Australia didn’t go trashing up Little Pebble’s place down on the South Coast because he claimed to have inside information on religion and the day of Judgement from God. He was treated as a whacko and left to his own demise. No need for arrests, no need to go burning stuff down. Muslims have bigger problems to deal with.

    The best thing I saw on that metroTV program last nite was the text which came up down the bottom of the screen at one stage informing viewers that the ‘prophet’ of this group was unable to attend the dialogue as he had received a revelation from God that he shouldn’t. At least provided a laugh in between the participants trying to take themselves (too) seriously.

  5. avatar Joss says:

    Certain countries sought to destroy Indonesia, he said, but didn’t say whether it was America, Israel, Australia, or Burkina Faso.

    More likely to be Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria etc etc. If indeed any at all.
    I suppose conspiracy theories exhist every where.

  6. avatar Janma says:

    I can’t see why Australia would want to destroy indonesia, imagine all the refugees that would be headed their way!

  7. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Mashadi, chairman of the Forum Umat Islam (FUI), said on 26th October that the existence of Al Qiyadah Al Islamiyah was part of a systematic plot by certain groups to create discord among Muslims, and to hijack true Islam.

    It’s certainly a Majapahit conspiracy.
    Bangkitlah Majapahitans, rise and shine. Merdeka!

  8. avatar Bas says:

    That’s exactly why I keep for myself the fact that I am the real and only new prophet…

  9. avatar iamisaid says:

    Bas said : “That’s exactly why I keep for myself the fact that I am the real and only new prophet”¦”

    All hail Bas ! the unherald REAL and ONLY NEW prophet.

  10. avatar Josef says:

    (MUI) chairman Kholil Ridwan asked the president, as the leader of a Muslim nation, to take a firm stand against heresy

    Ok, so no more Pancasila then? Just checking.

    P.S. All hail Bas!

  11. avatar Mad Muhaa says:

    Karma. Moslems used to be the victims – warred upon by naughty Qurayshians, declared heretics because molesms’ worshipping the singular Al Lat instead of legions. Why even the prophet pbuh himself got ridiculed by petty poets, it’s natural for moslems to retaliate hard and furious; otherwise this damned Qiyadah may turn potent enough to flourish and persuade other fools to its cause. Without strong and loud vigilance who knows may be someday Qiyadah and the likes will come to power and in their turn persecute moslems mercilessly back to the seventh century wasteland that was arabia….

  12. avatar Raden says:

    My prediction is happening. Indonesia is in chaotic, muslim clerics issued ‘fatwa’ and threaten our law enforcement elements to run ‘AMOK’ yes, the very infamous amok may comeback shortly, ha ha ha.
    You should prepare to get out from this hell.

  13. avatar Arema says:

    Bas is not the prophet. The true prophet is RADEN. =D

    See? his predictions come true!

    Listen to him, o ye mortals..! you should prepare to leave this hell!

  14. avatar Raden says:

    I am not a prophet but statistician. Muslim like fighting, 50% muslim may dislike it but the rest think of it as big deal so they will fight. Unfortunately 90% Indon are muslims, so to the rest of non muslim minority … these stupidities are not your problems … you are not even part of this community , and you will never dream to fix their problems, so why wait .. get out from this hell. After all it is not you who change but your country is leading like Iran now

  15. avatar Idam H. says:

    I always love if some people start to talk about conspiracy theory. As far as I know, conspiracy theory is campaigned by “losers”, either politically or socially.

    Conspiracy theory is similar to gossips in the entertainment business. It seems interesting but it contains nothing.

    The typical characteristics of a conspiracy theory: there is a latent danger pointing to certain party (mostly is not mentioned but if it is mention would probably be communists if not christians, jewish or even chinese) and an exaggerated line of story (the more the better).

  16. avatar panera says:

    To tell you the true Im not understant with the people who think that their religion is better than other. they all the same, pray to God only with defferent way of practice. And I think alqaida and similarity are moron from hell. But what so sad is that many moron in Indonesia too that need to be slap in their head.

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