139 Comments on “Mojopahit Empire”
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Sylvester Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 7:17 amMajapahit empire is simply a fairytale brought by former Indo leaders to boost the national pride, especially during Dutch colonialism. Majapahit indeed was a greatest empire in Indonesia. However, different from China, Roman, and Persian Empires that directly controlled their all territories, Majapahit only controlled Java and Bali. Borneo, Sumatra, Maluku, Malaya were just the vassal state under its tributary, which was the same like Vietnam and Korea under Chinese Empire.
One thing to remember is Majapahit , together with Ceylon, Champa, etc paid tributary to the Ming court during the reign of Emperor Zhu Di who sent Admiral Zheng He grand fleet across Asia, Africa, and probably even further.
So it is better for Indo to work hard rather than dreaming the glorious past that actually is still being debated.
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Oigal Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 8:39 amTsk Tsk, thats the third time you have insulted my family Assmad..and they wonder why they call you broken nose..
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Achmad Sudarsono Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 8:43 amAll My Friends,
I thank you.
Pakmantri:
I am as Indonesian as jongkok or kretek, my friend.
The government I meant was receiving the sucking was Indonesia’s. Since getting into power and out of the wilderness, Ramos Horta has attached his Portuguese-descended lips firmly to the rectum of the TNI, Indonesian President and Deplu and started giving it a firm, hard suck. Justice aside, it’s probably a sensible thing to do.
Sputjam & Sylvester, I was talking about a new, improved version of the Mojopahit empire. But once again, I prefer not to let the facts get in the way of a good stoush, my friends.
Let’s look to the future, not the past. It is only natural that Australia be ruled by Indonesia, perhaps with some illusion of regional autonomy. Besides, it’ll be a cinch to do as they all lie around on the beaches drunk on Fosters. All we’ll have to do is walk in and take what’s rightfully ours.
Thanks, Friend.
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Janma Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 9:00 amI wonder how they run they’re country so efficiently (compared to indonesia) if all they do is lie around on the beach and suck on fosters…..
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October 15th, 2007 at 9:13 amOigal: didn’t mean to insult your family (don’t know anything about them). Apologies for misunderstandings in that direction. You on the other hand, having stepped into the Blogosphere and called me “Assmad” as well as a range of other things, are fair game. But besides, I avoid personal slurs and keep to the topic in hand.
Janma,
Short history of Australia:
* Take a continent that belongs to other people, start up a quarry and a few mines. Run it by slave (convict) labor.
* Import British money & know-how.
* 2007: Keep the mines, quarries, & farms, flog it to resource-starved India and China. Sit back & cash welfare checks whilst listening to old “Men at Work” hits on the beach. Self-congratulate. Tell self-delusionary stories about multiculturalism a year after 1800′s-style race riots.
I call it the “Tyranny of Missed It,” he he he.
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Janma Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 11:26 amyeah whatever, what’s it to you anyway if you’re not Australian.?
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Ihaknt Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmOno, if your mojo is pahit then eat more celery and drink pineapple juice.
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October 15th, 2007 at 1:08 pmJanma,
Australia sees itself as the “sheriff of the South Pacific.” It is important the world knows this is Indonesia’s playground. It is important the world knows the reason why.
Between you and me, I’m a bit disappointed about the “yeah, whatever,” it’s a mall-chick’s response to debate, the sign of a scatterbain that can’t go the distance. I’d thought more highly of you.
Ihaknt: I don’t drink celery and pineapple juice, I drinkn Jamu.
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Foundation One Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm… this is Indonesia’s playground.
Funny, I just remembered how a teacher of mine used to say, “Indonesia is like a little kid playing with mud and sh*t at the playground while the other kids have gone on to the moon.”
Looks like it’s not gonna change anytime soon either.
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October 15th, 2007 at 5:04 pmYes, well, it seems like you’ve inherited the knowledge from your teacher who used a very stupid metaphor. Calling other people childish names doesn’t take much skill, Foundation One. I suggest you read my postings for a taste of sophisticated invective. Unless you’ve gone to the moon that is.
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October 15th, 2007 at 6:01 pmGo ahead and pat your back however you like, but I wouldn’t exactly call your posts “sophisticated”, much less “invective”. It would be akin to calling a bowl of Bakso a “gourmet meal”. I suppose “dim”, “provincial”, and “pathetic” would be more apt.
On the other hand,
Calling other people childish names doesn’t take much skill..
Unless you’re the one doing the name-calling, I see. Since you seem to be so bright, perhaps you can show me why the metaphor is – pardon my language – stupid, since nearly every post on this site pretty much backs it up.
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dewaratugedeanom Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 7:22 pmSylvester said
So it is better for Indo to work hard rather than dreaming the glorious past that actually is still being debated.
Work hard and little pay
Only makes a lousy daySo we better start dreaming a new future and do something about it.
Majapahit will rule again. Merdeka! -
Janma Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 8:57 pmAustralia sees itself as the “sheriff of the South Pacific.” It is important the world knows this is Indonesia’s playground. It is important the world knows the reason why.
I don’t think that Australia the nation (meaning it’s people as a whole) sees it’s self as the sheriff of the south pacific…. but even if it was, quite frankly if there has to be a sheriff (which I find an archaic attitude that we all need to grow out of) I’d rather have australian government being the sheriff than the indonesian government…. just because i feel they have to be more accountable. But enough of wasting my time and intellect on this bunch of burlesque! I had time for a few days, but now.. back to the real world and work! This is my first time in Australia in 20 years…. got things to do!
as an endnote….
I don’t understand why it’s important for the world to think of the south pacific as Indonesia’s playground. Why? you want to be an American arse licker like Australia? this is your ambition? the ambition of the Indonesian people? laudatory!‘whatever’ is what I say in response to an argument that I don’t feel needs an intelligent response.
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Sputjam Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 9:39 pmNobody can convince australia or anybody to be a client state of majapahit unless majapahit can show itself to be a worthy leader in all fields including education, technology, discipline, moral standards, cleanliness, work ethics, good governance etc.
As it is, papua and possibly several other regions within indonesia wants out, not more regions wishing to come in. -
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 10:06 pmAssalamualaikum mbak Janma, re
I’d rather have australian government being the sheriff than the indonesian government”¦.
You can’t be serious? You would rather vouch for a gang of grog drinking POME (prisoners of Mother England) than our own refined Mojopahit noblemen. I happened to be in the land downunder – a land of rowdy barbarians where Ned Kelly and Ivan Milat are epitome of Australian-ness.
I question your intelligence.
Salam.
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October 15th, 2007 at 11:27 pmAluang said
I happened to be in the land downunder – a land of rowdy barbarians where Ned Kelly and Ivan Milat are epitome of Australian-ness.
Wait until you see ‘The Puppetry of the Penis’, Australia’s cultural export product by excellence.
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October 16th, 2007 at 8:07 amFoundation One,
Indonesia is like a little kid playing with mud and sh*t at the playground while the other kids have gone on to the moon.”
It’s stupid because you can make up any metaphor you want. Here’s one, “I had a teacher who said Foundation One was like a gibbon playing with a typewriter.” See ? Just doesn’t work.
Friend, you write like a foreigner, so I can only assume you are jealous of my mastery of economical, limpid prose.
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Janma Says:
October 16th, 2007 at 8:13 amLimp prose more like it son!
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October 16th, 2007 at 8:20 amWell, Janma, I thought you were done with this burlesque. I can understand if you were tired of this burlesque. Who has time for burlesque these days.
On prose, burlesque is one of those words the great Fowler would have put under “Wardour Street,” in his 1916 work “the King’s English.” Like the silly antiques of Wardour Street in London (at least back then), it’s one of those ornaments the writer dusts off to try be clever, not to make themselves understood.
To be honest, I didn’t know what it meant until about 30 second ago. The American Heritage dictionary says Burlesque is:
NOUN:
1. A literary or dramatic work that ridicules a subject either by presenting a solemn subject in an undignified style or an inconsequential subject in a dignified style. See Synonyms at caricature.
2. A ludicrous or mocking imitation; a travesty: The antics of the defense attorneys turned the trial into a burlesque of justice.
3. A variety show characterized by broad ribald comedy, dancing, and striptease.So on second thoughts, it has quite a specific meaning, so for once Achmad is wrong and in this case indeed talking out his proverbial sir.
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October 16th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI think michael jackson has song for this kind of syndrome called “man in the mirror” or something.
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Raden Says:
October 17th, 2007 at 4:54 pmIt maybe Achmad was trying to apply Aussie PR and was turn-down by Aussie Immigration, it is a possibility on why is he so blind sided with the reality of Indon vs Aussie in this world map.
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October 17th, 2007 at 6:48 pmRaden (Friend), in future posts, you will be stunned by my world-view, or as my friends Jung and Freud used to say in the salons and cafes, Weltanschauung. Friend, ultimately, it was also people with last names like Raden who helped the Bule to dominate us, so you just wait, Friend. Why would I swap one set of islands with surf for one racist place with vastly inferior waves and beaches?
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October 18th, 2007 at 5:01 pmFor one thing, many are swapping indo’s hot humid climate for the cool climate of ozzieland/new zealand. you can walk for miles and still feel fresh down under, or start stinking while standing still anywhere in South east asia.
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FiR Says:
October 19th, 2007 at 4:23 amI think this “achmad sudarsono” man is another dreamer of the century. Not that I deny the possibility of the”inevitable” rising of Majapahit, but it’s just NOT gonna happen shortly with the mindsets and practices of typical Indonesians. I think you should avoid mentioning Australia in your argument rather than becoming biased in your points.
Yes…Australian lost in the rugby WC, but what about Indonesia? It has over 200 million people and its soccer team cannot even beat the Thai (for example). Is it adequate to judge Australians culture based on their rugby team? and How should we judge the Indonesians then?
Know the truth or Deny the truth!
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October 19th, 2007 at 8:06 amFiR,
You seem like a man who runs when faced with The Truth. Indonesia as an ancient civilization should be measured by different standards than Australia, which as a younger country is our junior. Respect for seniors is a part of many of our great Asian cultures.
The point is Australia lost in the Rugby because they play with Dollies and wear dresses and like to make little daisy chains. They’re the dreamers, sunshine.
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October 21st, 2007 at 1:16 pmWait until you see ‘The Puppetry of the Penis’, Australia’s cultural export product by excellence.
I just read on another blog dewaratugedeanom and Achmad Sudarsono are bringing their own version to Asia but its highly recommended you book a seat in the front row if you want to see anything.
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October 21st, 2007 at 2:32 pmIt’s ok, Oigal, we distribute magnifying glasses, telescopes, and binoculars to anyone who buys a ticket.
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Pena Budaya Says:
October 21st, 2007 at 3:58 pmThis writing is nothing but hatred towards Australians by neglecting the facts that Indonesians may have similar qualities, or even worse. Let’s face it, firstly, many Indonesian pribumi are still discriminating Chinese Born Indonesians. Secondly, many Indonesians have no respects towards people who have homo sexual orientation. Thirdly, recent article published here had discussed that actually many regulations in Indonesia are bias gender and discrimnating women. And so on, and so on.
the writer said:
“Indonesia as an ancient civilization should be measured by different standards than Australia, which as a younger country is our junior. Respect for seniors is a part of many of our great Asian cultures.”Aha, what is exactly Asian cultures? Do you think Asians respect seniors more than Australians? Come on! Give me a break. How many regulation in Indonesia that protect social security for the elderly/seniors? Many elderly/seniors in Indonesia have to be depended to their children since they HAVE to and the kids HAVE to support them.
In Australia and most developed country have such well protected social security towards the elderly/seniors then the children can make use their earnings to support themselves, but it does not mean that the Australians do not care about the seniors. In fact they DO care about the seniors so then they create such well protected social security systems. I know some Australians and Western Europeans who care their parents so much and visiting their parents regularly.
I dont get why such article like this is being published. It is bias and only seeing an issue in single perspective. The fact about living in diversity world is that many perspectives should be considered before making any conclusion about an issue. And for the sake of humanity, please open you mind!
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October 21st, 2007 at 4:02 pmsorry, forgive my English, I meant “Indonesian Born Chinese” not “Chinese Born Indonesians” ..
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kenalovell.com Says:
October 21st, 2007 at 4:51 pm[...] A recent post in Indonesia Matters by ‘new columnist Achmad Sudarsono’ begins: Australia’s defeat in the Rugby World Cup at the hands of Britain on October 6th was more than a humiliation. It was a sign of a culture that is failing on every level and won’t admit it. [...]
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