Ramadan Fasting

Oct 8th, 2007, in News, by

Video of an FPI raid on people not fasting for Ramadan.

This Ramadan, without much variation on last year, some militant Islamic groups, mainly in West Java and some of the more Islamically austere parts of the other islands, have attacked places selling food, and people eating in them, during the daylight hours, while Muslims are supposed to be fasting.

These news reports show men from the Islam Defenders' Front, Front Pembela Islam (FPI), attacking food stalls in Ciamis, West Java.


84 Comments on “Ramadan Fasting”

  1. avatar Peter says:

    I wonder, do the police simply not have enough resources to respond quickly to things like this, or are even they scared of the FPI?

    Those FPI people just look like teenagers with nothing better to do. They look like the same kind of kids who might join a gang here in the US. I guess the persistence of groups like this points to the utter failure of Indonesian law enforcement.

    Ya and if people really want this kind of thing to end, they need to speak out just as loud as the FPI does and let everyone know that they will not stand for this nonsense in the name of their religion. I understand that many people feel intimidated by these groups, but really there are far more sane people in Indonesia than extremists. The ones who scream the loudest often seem to be in the majority, but that is only because everyone else is keeping their mouth shut.

    Jangan malu, ya! Make a racket and let your politicians know that if they don’t start dealing with these extremists then they will lose their seats.

  2. avatar Peter says:

    Oh and Ramadan mubarak~

  3. avatar putu alberto lee says:

    dragonwall, regarding your comment to Bas:

    I can only suggest that you search on the internet for: “sarcasm 101”.

    Ok, have a nice day, my chinese friend. I think you’re a zealous indonesian-chinese, at all cost defending the chinese community no matter what. I have nothing against the chinese, it’s just I’m tired of overzealous people, from any race, religion, or nation.

  4. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Dragonwall, I didn’t say it was you. Why are you so defensive? Are you his grandson? I just wrote it because I saw many times posts (not just this one but in other ‘news’ too) such as ‘this didn’t happen during Suharto’ or ‘this wouldnt happen during Suharto’ or ‘we need a strong leader like Suharto’, etc. So, my point was Suharto is in the past and he was a bad leader and a dictator, and selfish and greedy. Yes probably we were in better times before and it’s a big pity things havent really gone for the better after he was forced to step down and that his replacement havent been better. But if I am blaming Suharto, so what? He took money that was supposed to go to rakyat. He was ruling Indonesia for 30+ years, he’s got to be blamed for something somehow. Others blame the bules, sorry, maybe I should’ve blamed the Jews, it seems that everything is their fault. Your life sucks, blame it on the Jews. You’re ugly, blame it on the Jews.

    By the way Mr. Dragon, I dont condone what FPI did, nor any kind of fanatism, fundamentalists. And I dont support muslims (or anyone) who use violence to get what they want.

  5. avatar cylent says:

    I suggest picking up violin or guitar instead of religion. Religion is way overplayed, its nothing but a long overdue myth. By now with all the knowledge we have, some random college professor can pull out writing up volumes of bible-like guidebook. Wait, George Lucas did that, there you go.

    Seriously, stretch this blog site ten years ahead and someone will start a war. Yes, it all started that simple.

  6. avatar Janma says:

    I agree with Ihaknt (I can never pronounce that, it always comes up in my mind as I Can’t)!!! 😉

    I think that maybe there was an economic boom in Indonesia and asia anyway during that time, I don’t think that Soeharto himself alone was the cause of prosperity in Indonesia.
    For many in hindsight a strong hand seems to be what is needed in Indonesia, even for the people who condemned Soeharto at the end of his reign, they now think he was the great father and saviour of Indonesia. I however do not feel that is true, because the minute the strong hand is gone chaos ensues…. growth and education must come available for the people in an organic way, not from a strong man. it’s not an easy road, but it has to be the way for indonesia, not a return to the past where a leader tried his hardest to keep the people ignorant and in his hand, but growth into the future.

  7. avatar Pakmantri says:

    Peter,
    Please go back to YouTube and re-watch the video you’ll find something very interesting in it.
    Yes, the police was there, they are protecting the FPI!!
    And you wonder why nobody is confronting these thugs!
    Beside we, the ordinary Indonesian, are too busy scrambling to put food on the table for our family and wondering how we can afford to send our children to school to get an education and pray for them not to join the FPI in the future. :-))

  8. avatar Janma says:

    I think it’s strange how the press can be there but the law enforcement isn’t. The FPI must inform the press before they begin in order for them to be there on location exactly when that’s going down isn’t it? And why doesn’t the press inform the police that a criminal act is in progress? or if they did why aren’t there any police there? I can’t see the police Pakmantri? where, there are two video’s, which one has the police in it?

    Ok, I see the police in the 2nd one, but I think that was after everything was all over wasn’t it?

  9. avatar Pakmantri says:

    I don’t believe so, there are some people with white cap and face mask in front of the police in the 2nd video.
    The narrator also said, that policemen who usually patrol the area did not do anything.

    Funny thing is this kind of things only happen to the small vendors/operator who could not afford to pay for protection money. Never happen to the big nightclubs or the so called massage parlor which basically is just a glorified prostitution.

    Ooh, cintaku negriku …………………..

  10. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Assalamualaikum .. it is good to read what happened at home from a distance. By the way, Dewa, I didn’t manage to sneak into the bottomless bar for some divine revelation as I have my family tagging along this time.

    By the way, good muslims should fast, and fasting is good for all humankind. For f..k’s sake, FPI is not killing anyone, just making sure Allah’s instruction is obeyed. Inshallah, I will be back to Indon after ramadan.

    Salam.

  11. avatar Bas says:

    Indonesians spend much more (at least 50% more) money for food and beverage during Ramadan than during other month (fasting ala Indonesia).

    Dragonwall, you didn’t understand that I am denouncing all that. Not agreeing it at all!

    Of course Chinese are not responsible for the narco problem in Indonesia. But that is what is teached at Universitas Indonesia.

    Of course killing is worse than stealing and raping is much worse than publishing a nude pic.

    I am saying this is how things are in Indonesia, not what I think myself!

  12. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Dear Patung re,

    Look at some of my comments which were marked grey, can I know why? Anyway I will stay away from this blog for good. So much for freedom of press release. Thank you anyway

    Chowkong deserves double bonus karma point for every Pribumis bashing comments he made, otherwise he will throw up a wussy fit and leave us for good. It is good that he stay so we can be wary of racist Singaporean Chinese.

    Salam.

  13. avatar Janma says:

    I don’t get it, where are dragonballs comments marked with grey? What does that mean?

  14. avatar Raden says:

    Aluang, I think there is no racist Singapore chinese here … look at the defence pact between India and Singapore were signed yesterday as a continuing bilateral relationship between them would allow India to get infantry, navy & air force high technology know how from Sgp while Sgp can store & practice their weapons in India territory. This kind of pact is nothing new. Besides India, the Singapore have the same with others like Phillipine, Thailand, China, USA, etc … so it is nothing new full stop, business as usual.
    I found it a bit irritating when Indonesia who supposedly behave like big brother of Singapore (I am Indonesian who opposed my parliament’ majority voice) expressing oversuspicion on this defence pact with Singapore just simply Indonesia have accute ‘inferiority complex’ problem. Yes it is true, mental pembantu !! over jealous, over suspicius with opposite race ! ‘picik’

    Hilang rasa percaya diri alias minder dan kemudian menjadi over prasangka …. malu ! because of ourown incompetencies. This were never happen during suharto, it is the fact despite I do not like him.

    What a tini red dot can compromise our integrity & sovereignity with only a defence pact ? Afterall, by today Singapore is standing tall to announce the world that Indonesia may reject it but a bigger & more succesful nation than Indon & more proudful nation like India is accepting happily the same agreement. What a shame on ‘the big brother’ of Indonesian for the ASEAN context ? … picik … picik … no class & low self esteem parliament of indon (sorry this is the label of ours in Malaysia they look down on us by saying Indon)

    We should introspect ourself … who is more racist ? why our parliament over suspicius to the tiny chinese majority Singapore country ? why ? who is more racist here ? Singapore have Indian race president and many top ministry posting & grass root leader from Malay & India races … Indonesia can be proudful with only 1 Mary Pangestu and 1 arab wannabe Fuad Bawazier …?

  15. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Janma, no prononciation required. It’s been abbreviated by Patung from my original nik 🙂

  16. avatar Sputjam says:

    I think in typcal singapore style, the defence pact is linked to the extradition treaty. If Indonesian wants extradition treaty, they will have to allow singaporean soldiers to train at their army complex. Otherwise, no extraditon.

  17. avatar Ihaknt says:

    I think I know why FPI thinks they own the road like that. I just received an email from a friend of mine and it says

    “Semoga segala dosa, noda, iri, dengki dan segala prasangka yang setahun ini telah terjadi diantara kita

    Kembali lebur dalam Fitrah-Nya, menjadikan ikatan persaudaraan yang lebih erat,

    Dan kita kembali menjadikan manusia yang beriman dan bertaqwa”

    Of course this was sent with a good intention.

    But maybe FPI applies this kind of mentality too literally that after Ramadhan ends then everyone will just forgive and forget and get on with life like it never happened. MUNAFIK BS!!

  18. avatar Pena Budaya says:

    Who is financing FPI? http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Pembela_Islam

    I don’t get why FPI is not yet banned. Who is actually the person/group behind it and to finance the organisation? I believe ANY massive organisation like FPI should be audited. FPI is typical terrorist organisation, all their action is simply terrorizing citizen! I wonder why the prosecutors are so quite about FPI. Must be someone VERY influental (and cruel) behind FPI and financing this organisation!

    Indonesia is truly having a stupid and idiotic government and police who are too afraid to band/punnish FPI’s terrorist actions.

    oh btw, if you would like to participate ,at least, to showing of your thoughts, then perhaps you can also do a voting to disband FPI:

    http://www.petitiononline.com/noFPI/petition.html

    But of course, we have to do more than just voting to disband this terrorist group..

  19. avatar Pakmantri says:

    Who is financing FPI? …………….

    Just follow the money, start with who involve with “Dana Abadi Umat” you’ll figure it out.
    And you’ll be surprise to find out who is running the show in Indonesia. 😉

  20. avatar Hassan says:

    you’ll be surprise to find out who is running the show in Indonesia.

    Uncle Sam?

  21. avatar Janma says:

    Well, that’s a bit boring….. and why you put a question mark after it…. I was hoping for a more exciting answer, something totally unexpected…. like … hmmm… nah… you probably right.

    So I’m not surprised, I wanted to be surprised!

  22. avatar Dragonwall says:

    Bas

    Chinese are responsible for the narcotic problem in the country as I learned in UI

    That was what you wrote, when I said your comment needs more filtration and that your socio political knowledge was very minimal and that most likely was due to the indoctrination by your teachers.

    Then this was what you later wrote;

    Of course Chinese are not responsible for the narco problem in Indonesia. But that is what is teached at Universitas Indonesia

    So you have been mislead into believing that the Chinese had to be incriminated to take the fall. So is this discrimination and persecution to the Chinese?

    And

    publishing a nude picture is much worse than raping a woman or stealing a wallet is worse than killing a pickpocket.

    That was what you wrote and then you said as follow

    Of course killing is worse than stealing and raping is much worse than publishing a nude pic.

    So was there a conflict on speech in your comment? Judge it.

    And you even have praised for them like

    That’s just the way it is in this nice “country”.

    Putu Alberto Lee

    I think you’re a zealous indonesian-chinese, at all cost defending the chinese community no matter what. I have nothing against the chinese, it’s just I’m tired of overzealous people, from any race, religion, or nation

    Who am I defending, the Chinese? Are Soeharto, Sutiyoso, Ali Sadikin, Ali Wardhana all Chinese? They have to defend themselves. But if they deserve credit don’t deprive them of such. So how discriminative have I been in and how was I defending the Chinese?

    When comments are made they should be subjected to criticsm and rebuttal not arguments. One needs to weight the difference between defending and the leveling out.

    Yes I think you really need a good long day.

    Ihaknt

    If I am not mistaken the last time I saw your posting you said you were a she!
    So sorry to say that I think you were mistaken when you wrote

    I didn’t say it was you. Why are you so defensive? Are you his grandson? I just wrote it because I saw many times posts (not just this one but in other ‘news’ too

    But nonetheless ‘minum air harus ingat sumbernya’.

    If your dad kill someone, do you have to take the fall? No right. So when his childrens and cronies were involved, he is to be reprimanded for his complacency but not for the cause.
    Let’s say everyone says he is corrupt and had stolen, taken, hidden money assets and so on belonging to the country called Indonesia. Was there any proof yet? No.

    A person can only be prosecuted and judge in the presence of evidence. Not hearsay. And this is the habits of Indonesians ignorance in uphelding the law.
    ‘Kalau Bapak Salah, Anak Mati, kan’ TOLOL sort of thinking right.

    You are in a democratic society or a so call democratic country. But if your thinking cannot be liberal enough to understand the importance of leashing the law and enforcing it. A person could be held for libel, defamation and slander. His son was guilty of certain things and he paid the price for that. Whether he had live like a king in the 4 x 6 is up to the judiciary system to make such evaluation to see no convict ejoy such priviledges and should be treated as alike other inmates.

    Janma

    I think that maybe there was an economic boom in Indonesia and asia anyway during that time, I don’t think that Soeharto himself alone was the cause of prosperity in Indonesia.

    When there is a flood and if there is no waterway, the water won’t flow in. So take the economic boom as a flood. If there is no one that pave way for outside world to come in, don’t you think at that time when Indonesia was moving up rapidly that made India and China were better choice than Indonesia?

    Go more indepth, he may be a crook, but he did Indonesia glorious. So am I defending Chinese ande bashing Muslims like some arse said? Like

    so we can be wary of racist Singaporean Chinese.

    Ah. Here we go again, throwing stones with hands behind your back, like I said you were a failure right from the start. I am not sure whether your family had tag along with you are wary of what you said. I wonder what will they say seeing you being spoon fed from the start, You really belong to the stoning age.

  23. avatar Pakmantri says:

    Uncle Sam?

    Not really, FPI and other organizations similar to it were created at the end of Suharto era to counter act the reform movement and pressure from Washington.

    If you are interested rad this weblog “Carut Marut Indonesia” at this web site,
    http://hatinurani21.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/.

    Of course it is influenced by the writer’s own stand in the matter but there are some truth in it, just use your common sense. The articles are in bahasa Indonesia.
    This subject is in the 3rd article.

    Bangsaku sedang sakit ………………… it needs time to recuperate, too much unnecessary blood had been spilled for this land, I’ll be more patient this time.
    Merdeka!!

  24. avatar Hassan says:

    Err, the Pope?

  25. avatar Pakmantri says:

    No, the Dalai Lama ………………

  26. avatar Hassan says:

    Ah yes, after consulting with my spiritual adviser, I have finally got the answer: Osama Bin Laden! Yep, he is the mastermind of radicals worldwide, surely he’s also the one running the show in Indonesia, and acting as FPI’s financier. 😉

    And to think I haven’t used up my other lifelines: Fifty-fifty and ask the audience. 😀

  27. avatar Parvita says:

    Maybe during Suharto’s era these moslems are ridiculously suppressed. I remember BAKIN being around in any mosques during a sermon, just to make sure that the imam doesn’t say anything ‘wrong’. And if he did, he will be interrogated. Now it is 180 degrees opposite.

  28. avatar Pakmantri says:

    Osama Bin Laden, uncle Sam’s buddy?? Nooo ……….. really? I thought it is PKI all along!!
    What do I know, I am just an uneducated rakyat ( according to Sutiyoso )!
    I have to consult with my “Jihad Watch” friends. 🙁

  29. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Peter said

    Ya and if people really want this kind of thing to end, they need to speak out just as loud as the FPI does and let everyone know that they will not stand for this nonsense in the name of their religion. I understand that many people feel intimidated by these groups, but really there are far more sane people in Indonesia than extremists. The ones who scream the loudest often seem to be in the majority, but that is only because everyone else is keeping their mouth shut.

    Don’t count on the silent majority, they will follow whoever seems to be in power. Like Albert Einstein said: “The world is a dangerous place not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”

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