Indonesian Women
Oct 3rd, 2007, in News, by PatungLaws that discriminate against women.
The recent 39th meeting of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) in New York recommended Indonesia revoke all laws that are viewed as biased against women, said the Minister for Women’s Empowerment, Meutia Hatta, on 26th September.
Although Indonesia ratified the Convention 23 years ago Meutia says:
There are currently 29 laws which are gender-biased and we have suggested the relevant ministries amend them. I have heard that they are still evaluating them.
She cited the 1974 marriage law, which contains articles that permit men to commit polygamy, but not women, in the case of a wife’s infertility or inability to perform her “wifely duties”, and which also allows girls of 16 and 17 to marry, even though in other statutes such girls are considered still to be children.
Meutia said the Women’s Empowerment ministry had asked the Religious Affairs ministry to review any discriminative laws within its authority but had not yet received a response.
Meutia Farida Hatta.
She went on to say that at the meeting in New York concerns were also raised about the effect of the regional autonomy policy which had created discriminative regulations against women, such as the 2005 by-law in Tangerang, Banten, which stipulates that any woman seen alone in public after 19.00 could be considered a prostitute and arrested, as well as the various regional laws, such as this one in Malang, requiring women to obtain permission from their husbands to work at night.
Meuthia said the meeting also criticized the Indonesian government for its failure to fully integrate CEDAW convention compliance into Indonesian laws. The minister said this was because the details of the CEDAW convention were not yet known by government bodies.
CEDAW also asked the government to issue a firm policy against female circumcision.
Indonesia had not received an all negative report card however:
They noted some improvements like the issuance of the 1999 Law on Human Rights, the amendment to the 1945 Constitution, the 2004 Law on the Elimination of Domestic Violence, the 2006 Law on Witness’s and Victim’s Protection and the 2007 Law on Human Trafficking.
176 Comments on “Indonesian Women”
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Joy says:
Pleaseeeee, no more sajak-pantun-poem!!!!
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Ade Wanto says:
Why Joy?
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Janma says:
yeah, don’t labor the point Stan.
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Janma, as a woman, why don’t you make this forum to elaborate what woman discrimination. To discuss our people need to the best interest of them. Rather than humiliating and disgracing each other. I don’t think it will make any better, do you?
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To discuss our people need to the best interest of them. Rather than humiliating and disgracing each other. I don’t think it will make any better, do you?
you are so right mr ade wanto…… like you said….
Go to hell with your vagina. Shits.
lovely….. or is it one rule for me and another for you, because, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t remember flinging personal insults of that nature at you!
and as for your quote from the Koran….
Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good woman are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely Allah is high, supreme.
well then since I have never once been maintained by the wealth of a man, therefore I don’t have to be beaten, subdued or anything else…. neither do I beat or subdue the men in my life for depending on me….
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Achmad Sudarsono says:
Ade,
Coy, Kawan, Saudara, Teman,
Brevity is a virtue. We’d love to debate our – if we could stay awake through your posts. It’s just a basic courtesy on these posts to:
1. Think what you want to say.
2. Say it quickly and clearly.To be fair, University can make you worse at clear expression. Academics can be the worst of all. But a university journal, Indonesia Matters, ain’t.
You made your point in the first post. The follow ups should be just ri-postes.
Ya, amigo ?
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Ade Wanto, you maybe thinking that your poem is about the best interest of woman. Why don’t you show your Oct/9 poem to your mother or sister or maybe if you are married show it to your wife. Then you will know why I said no more of your so called poem!!!
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ade wanto said
let us back to the root.
sorry to have disturbed you, go on then, get back to it mate!
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tomaculum says:
Child, who is your father? If a woman can commit to polygamy, that the first question ask from child’s mother. Because in millions seed, only one can reach “the goal”.
There is still polyandrical family form in the western Himalaya and some other places in this world and – as far as I know – the mothers don’t ask such stupid questions because in such community are other things important. Such questions come usually out of male brains having the delusion that they are the rulers and the protectors.
And the children? They first call:” Mammaaaa!”. 🙂Why they (west) always impose us to follow them? And think that we are bad men, bad people and bad country? I can’t understand here some people are deceived them and think that they are the only right side.
And it is OK that an other culture impose Indonesia to follow it? The arabian (islamic) culture? Do they think that the origin indonesian culture is bad?
Maybe these people (“Why they (west) always impose us to follow them? And think that we are bad men, bad people and bad country? I can’t understand here some people are deceived them and think that they are the only right side. -
dewaratugedeanom says:
The postings of this ade wanto character seem like gado-gado. What’s wrong with this guy? Is he sniffing glue or something?
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I know, and I always get sucked in….. for at least 48 hours.
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Janma Says:
yeah, don’t labor the point Stan.
No, I was not intend to do that. I am a poetry lover – writer (bahasa Indonesia). I always in a way to describe something using imaginative grammar.
Janma Says:
lovely”¦.. or is it one rule for me and another for you, because, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t remember flinging personal insults of that nature at you!
Sorry, my dear, I really hate you after I know you involve in not proper discussion with Dimp. I was shock.
Janma Says:
well then since I have never once been maintained by the wealth of a man, therefore I don’t have to be beaten, subdued or anything else”¦. neither do I beat or subdue the men in my life for depending on me”¦.
Your post is a reason why I have an difficulty to explaining about that “controversial” verse (for human). But, I belief Allah does not no intention transform that verse. However, I try to, firstly, describing differences between western and eastern culture through song, poems, rhymes, and imaginary conversations (maurice, maureen, moron).
Quran, whom I believe from Allah, have verses that many woman (modern) arguing at -as you do. Including verses which allows man can have four women (I will post it). Many man also woman mostly still do not understand what a kind verses is. To pleasure man, and discriminating woman or what.
Frankly speaking, until now, I still find a proper best way to describe it to many woman. My belly dancer has already understanding. It is difficult to (modern) woman especially who have higher earning or position to believe it. But, its exist in Quran. Should I smarter than Allah to deny that verse? Whoops.
But, when my father married another woman, after my mother, along time ago, (it is not an adultery reason) I hardly to find a way to explain it to my mother. Its was not defending as man to man. Its because I believe what Quran says. I do not any doubt about verses in Quran that Allah has wisdom. Not any single human brain, I believe, can reach.
But before I ready to explain it, you all talk like animal. In other hand, I belive, it is sacred things. That why I was getting angry. I believe, polygamy in Islam (especially in modern life) be a way to insult My Beloved Prophet. Also, many human insult My Allah. I know I do not have to defend My Prophet and My Allah. But, as a human? That why I was getting angry to you all.
Joy Says:
Ade Wanto, you maybe thinking that your poem is about the best interest of woman. Why don’t you show your Oct/9 poem to your mother or sister or maybe if you are married show it to your wife. Then you will know why I said no more of your so called poem!!!
What do I say. But, just for you, I have hardly been explain to all my family member to accept polygamy. And, not only that poems I saw to my all family member include my mother and my sister.tomaculum Says:
And it is OK that an other culture impose Indonesia to follow it? The arabian (islamic) culture? Do they think that the origin indonesian culture is bad?
Yes, I agree to you. And, why as a nation, on any matter, we look outward first (like Meutia Hatta did). Then other culture could easy impose Indonesians. Not only Arabians, you can hear many words in bahasa Indonesia from alien cultures. Not only English (in modern Indonesia era), as a lingua franca, Bahasa Melayu where Bahasa Indonesia came from, had had many alien’s culture influence.
However:
You people! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you might get to know one another. The noblest of you in Allah’s sight is human is most righteous. Allah is all knowing and wise. (Quran 49:10)
Achmad Sudarsono Says:
You made your point in the first post. The follow ups should be just ri-postes.
Yes, I know, Achmad. But, if you asked me to 24 hours in front of computer, wow, I can’t.
dewaratugedeanom Says:
The postings of this ade wanto character seem like gado-gado. What’s wrong with this guy? Is he sniffing glue or something?
No, I do not anything wrong with me. Gado-gado, sure. Sniffing glue, what? Bwaaaar, bwaaaarrrrrr, Abawrhananahanana. Stretteeeeerrrrr!
Janma Says:
I know, and I always get sucked in”¦.. for at least 48 hours.
Sorry, again, my dear.
hello maurice,
hello maureen
where is moron?
they fade off? So -
I know I do not have to defend Allah and My Beloved Prophet Muhammad. But as an ordinary man, I’ll fight for at all cost, no doubt it, to whom intend to humiliate myself and my belief.
Sapa mau dimadu?
For sure, many (modern) woman will not accept that terminology. But. this is Quran says. Neither The Prophet Muhammad, nor me. It is Allah whom says so. Do moslem must accept that in their daily life? There are no exception and no refuse. If you are a moslem you must obey this. Whether you willing to do or not to do. First you must accept it.
Samina wa athona.
You refuse it? You can change other religion. As simple as that.
Then, you can find a man with his religion which you believe not practicing polygamy. You (women) do not have any choices at all – if you are true believer, if you are The Prophet Muhammad followers, if you are Allah’s women. Whether you beauty or not. Whether you smart or not. Whether you rich or not. You must accept that terminology with or without favor.
If you are true believers you must accept Allah’s wisdom about polygamy. But, if you ask why? Who do knows? That Allah decision not human being made. Better, I advice, hold your question until then when you reach heaven, you can ask Allah directly. But, heaven is only for true believers whom willing Allah’s guidance. No doubt of it
Then, will we still argue about polygamy in Islam? Still doubt? I, advice, you better infidel. You better read this carefully for whom to have commit in polygamy:
The hypocrites are afraid lest a Chapter he revealed to them, telling them what is in their hearts. Say, “Scoff if you will; Allah will surely bring to light what you are dreading.”
If you question them, they will say, “We were only jesting and making merry.” Say, “Would you mock Allah, Allah’s revelations, and Allah’s apostle? Make no excuses. You have renounced the faith after embracing it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others, for they are guilty men.
Be they men or women, the hypocrites are all alike. They enjoin what is evil, forbid what just, and tighten their their fists. They forgot Allah, so Allah forgot them. Surely hypocrites are evil-doers.
Allah has promised the hypocrites, both men and women, and the unbelievers, the fire of Hell. They shall abide in it for ever; a sufficient recompense. The curse of Allah is upon them; lasting awaits them. (Quran 9:64-68)
how come my dear J – – – –
will you marry me?
whoooops
it is morning maureen
my belly dancer
take a lesson now
uuuuuuuuuuuurgh, please,
please pleasure me againccccccccome said me
uuuuuummmm said she– Gawl horrop. Bawr. Abawrhannahanna!
– Bawr stretter! Bawr. Bawr. Stretterhawl?
From Edwin Morgan “The First Men On Mercury” -
Are you all right now, guys.
Why do we must guard our women, because of this:The woman in the spiked device
that locks around the waist and between
the legs, with holes in it like a tea strainer
is Exhibit A.The woman in black with a net window
to see through and four-inch
wooden peg jammed up
between her legs so she can’t be raped
is Exhibit B.Exhibit C is the young girl
dragged into the bush by the midwives
and made to sing while they scrape the flesh
from between her legs, then tie her thighs
till she scabs over and is called healed.
Now she can be married.
For each childbirth they’ll cut her
open, then sew her up.
Men like tight women.
The ones that die are carefully buried.The next exhibit lies flat on her back
while eighty men a night
move through her, ten an hour.
She looks at the ceiling, listens
to the door open and close.
A bell keeps ringing.
Nobody knows how she got here.You’ll notice that what they have in common
is between the legs. Is this
why wars are fought?
Enemy territory, no man’s
land, to be entered furtively,
fenced, owned but never surely,
scene of these desperate forays
at midnight, captures
and sticky murders, doctors’ rubber gloves
grassy with blood, flesh made insert, the surge
of your own uneasy power.This is no museum.
Who invented the word love?A Women’s Issue – poem by Margaret Atwood
Can we move to other issue? How we protect our women in house, on street, at work, and others? I think polygamy, I belief, God’s business. None party -even government touch that issue. Or, what?
hello maurice
where you go friend?
hello maureen
where you go honey?
go to library
shop to Gunung Agung
for what?
meet with Allah.
Iqra
Iqra
moron
go to the vet clinic? -
This is the verse:
You may put off any of your wives you please and take to your bed any of them you please. Nor is it unlawful for you to receive any of those whom you have temporarily set aside. That is more proper, so that they what you give them. Allah knows what is in your hearts. Surely! Allah is all knowing and gracious.
It shall be unlawful for you to take more wives or to change your present wives for other women, through their beauty please you, unless they are slave-girls whom you own. Allah takes cognizance of all things. (Quran 33-51-52) -
Achmad Sudarsono Says:
Janma,
I take my hat off to you. The following quote is awesome !
As for men watching the same posterior year after year, i bet they aren’t exactly a basket of roses either by that time, pot bellied, short, and rarely well endowed, their ego’s are writing cheques that their bodies can’t cash. And may I humbly note that you can ask all three of my husbands about my posterior, not a single one of them will close their mouth long enough to phrase a complaint. I’m a grandmother and I have to say, it’s awe inspiring! Hubba Hubba!
Maybe women are just as much to blame for polygamy? they don’t value themselves enough.Achmad Sudarsono Says:
P.S. I meant very apt and funny. I say let Ade Wanto read that, imagine, and weep !
I’ve already done it. Thanks.
Do you have a CD (not piracy one, please) on this song sing by Eric Clapton?
I think you better play it.Heaven Is One Step Away
by Eric ClaptonWe searched all through the night.
I couldn’t find it; you couldn’t find it.
I knew something wasn’t right.
I couldn’t find it; you couldn’t find it.
And they say heaven is one step away.
Heaven is one step away.
And then there came the dawn:
I couldn’t find it; you couldn’t find it.
I just had to carry on.
I couldn’t find it; you couldn’t find it.We didn’t leave till a quarter to three.
All your friends, they were laughing at me.
I don’t get it, I don’t understand;
Who is that man holding your hand?
Repeat First VerseHeaven is one step away.
Heaven is one step away.
Heaven is one step away.
Heaven is one step away.Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door
by Bob DylanMa, take this badge off of me.
I can’t use it any more.
It’s getting dark, too dark to see.
Feel like I’m knockin’ on heaven’s door.Knock, knock, knockin’ on heavens door.
Knock, knock, knockin’ on heavens door.
Knock, knock, knockin’ on heavens door.
Knock, knock, knockin’ on heavens door.Ma, take these guns away from me.
I can’t shoot them any more.
There’s a long black cloud following me.
Feel like I’m knockin’ on heaven’s door.Do you think its about dick?
hello maurice
hello maureen
always done here
always done there
sing your song
brothers -
Achmad Sudarsono, big daddy, or hear these:
Be with those who help your being
A poem by RumiBe with those who help your being.
Don’t sit with indifferent people, whose breath
comes cold out of their mouths.
Not these visible forms, your work is deeper.
A chunk of dirt thrown in the air breaks to pieces.
If you don’t try to fly,
and so break yourself apart,
you will be broken open by death,
when it’s too late for all you could become.
Leaves get yellow. The tree puts out fresh roots
and makes them green.
Why are you so content with a love that turns you yellow?Close the Language-Door
A poem by RumiThere is some kiss we want
with our whole lives,
the touch of Spirit on the body.
Seawater begs the pearl
to break its shell.
And the lily, how passionately
it needs some wild Darling!
At night, I open the window
and ask the moon to come
and press its face against mine.
Breathe into me.
Close the language-door,
and open the love-window
The moon won’t use the door,
only the window.hello maurice
hello maureen
did you see the blue
no
do you now
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Sylvester says:
Patung,
I think we see a lunatic here. -
Ihaknt says:
This dude is on something. Whatever it is, it’s potent. What’s with the long posts? Do people actually read them?
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Raden Says: One races / tribes / religion should not start emposing his exclusive rules to public matters or nation wide affairs, Indonesia will never be like ARAB, I am sorry.
Sylvester Says: Agree, Raden. Radical islam is surely a clear & present danger not for Indo only but to all humankind.
Andrew Says: The reason behind Ade Wanto’s dissertation-like posts may be simple. He’s probably just using his religion as a cover for his own interest. He wants to retain the so-called priviledge to legally marry four wives.
The quote should go like: “If the Arabs can do it, so can we. It is not a matter of discrimination.”
Sylvester Says: Patung, I think we see a lunatic here.I do not see any relation from Republic of Indonesia to impose exclusive rule (in this case Islam) to public matters or nation wide affairs. How come? Polygamy is an individual matter (for moslem) not public matter issue. It is scared thing. For moslem, it is individual’s choice. No man or woman enforcing to do polygamy.
And, I do not see any connection between legalize polygamy and, as Raden Says: In Indonesia today, The winner is: Islam radicalism ideology with agenda of Arabisation, swap your blangkon & batik kebaya with your beard, tudung & Arab’s sorban.
What is radicalism ideology mean? What is Arabisation mean? It is mean that all Indonesian has to wear what Arabian wear? Or what? It is mean all Indonesian must have weird or what? What is radicals Islam? I did not get any clear picture on this post. Please elaborate. Someone who marry to four women is radicals. Arabisation is omeone who marry to four women is radicals?
What is Arabisation? I mean by definition or terminology, please clear my picture, what do you mean Arabisation? What is radicals Islam? I do not see any connection between a (group of) people that marry more than one wife is radicals or being Arab. They are whom enjoying their life (a man who having healthy sex life with four wives), then you says radicals or Arabisation. Whassup.
Dimp Says: If God intend for men to have four wives, He/She would have created men with 4 penises.
Is it lunatic or what?
Sylvester Says: Janma, This guy is even worse than any radicals we ever meet.
Is it lunatic or what?
I think discussion about Discrimination on Woman is important because it is sacred. This issue related to woman – mother, kaum ibu – Sylvester Says: Many indonesian agree that “surga di bawah telapak kaki ibu” to whom the Lord brings all human races to this world including your momma and my mother.
However, we can discuss this matter as mature-unprejudice-openminders persons. This is not infant talking. So, we are not wasting our time just to bladah-bladah-bladah. And, most important is we can learn how to bridge any differences between us. As a nation, Indonesians need to learn how life in diversity after 31 years living under pressure. Don’t forget to our country’s foundation, Bhinneka Tunggal Ika. Living in Diversity.
Do people actually read them? Let people decide it.
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Achmad Sudarsono Says: Friend – the Koran is polygamy is ok? No? Or perhaps could it be you’re putting a western-feminist spin on the ayat concerning polygamy?
The verse is exist in Quran. So what next?
Achmad Sudarsono Says: It’s only 40 inches at full-mast.
Still in progress? Or, What? Like Black Stallion.
Janma Says: so it’s ok. keep your stone age convictions.
Never mind. But, feel this song first:
We’re just ordinary people
We don’t know which way to go
Cuz we’re ordinary people
Maybe we should take it slow
This time we’ll take it slow
This time we’ll take it slow
Ordinary People by John LegendJanma Says: Actually Muhammad (God bless him) didn’t really support polygamy, he quite clearly says that there are strict conditions to adhere to in the case of polygamy and also says those conditions are almost impossible to fullfil, that is hardly a green light for polygamy!
Better I quote this first:
These shall be no compulsion in religion. True guidance is now distinct from error. He that renounces idol-worship and puts his faith in Allah shall grasp a firm handle that will never break. Allah hears all and knows all. (Quran 2:256)
Surely. Not only for woman, for a man too. However, in this life, as Allah’s creature, do we always put something on our personal best interest only? How about other people interest? How about Allah interest? Don’t be forget, we live for pray and worship Allah. Polygamy, as I said, believe for man both woman to receipt that terminology. But, there is still does not any compulsory here. As a human being, we have self determination to do or not to do, to obey or not to obey, include polygamy.
As personal, indeed, The Prophet Muhammad was not intend to commit polygamy. But, It is instruction from Allah (I do not know what the reason). The Basic Question is what you true believer or not? If and only if you (women) are true believer could accept that reality.
And, for them whose intend to insult Allah and the Prophet Muhammad, for this matter, better read it:
Those who speak ill of Allah and Allah’s apostle shall be cursed by Allah in this life and in this life to come. He has prepared for them a shameful punishment.
Those who traduce believing men and believing women undeservedly shall bear the guilt of slander and grievous sin.(Quran 35:57-58)If the hypocrites and those who have tainted hearts and the scandal mongers (of Madinah) do not desist, We will rouse you against them, and their days in that city will be numbered. Cursed wherever they are found, they will be seized and put to death.(Quran 35:60:-61)
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Guys, do you think this Ade Wanto is the new form of Cukurungan?
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Raden says:
I think so, a hypocrite who hide behind Quran to legalize his square ideology. Ade Wanto, I suggest you ask PM Badawi who are facing many legal implication dualism when there are intermarriages between muslim and non muslim, when a non muslim wife of a muslim husband died, when a muslim Malaysian silently marry with Vietnamese buddhist in other country and one day the child’s mother insist to live in Malaysia for a better education in Terengganu, etc etc ….
Malaysia is facing 2 law, local syairah law which is a compulsory abide by all muslim and civil law … and u said it is not a problem to the rest of non muslim with zero implication ??
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joy said:
Guys, do you think this Ade Wanto is the new form of Cukurungan?
hey yeah…. where is cukurungan? I was wondering what was missing….
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What’s with the long posts? Do people actually read them?
Hihihi, Ihaknt, I was wondering the same while reading this thread. Back to the never ending polygamy issue…boring.
I question marriage institution itself. A person in one institution, still acceptable and understandable. Four?
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Hassan says:
Parvita:
I question marriage institution itself. A person in one institution, still acceptable and understandable. Four?
Are you a Muslim, Parvita? If polygamy is allowed in the Qur’an and you’re questioning whether a polygamous marriage institution is acceptable and understandable by our standard, then aren’t you in fact questioning the Qur’an itself?
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Ade Wanto said
This is the verse:
You may put off any of your wives you please and take to your bed any of them you please. Nor is it unlawful for you to receive any of those whom you have temporarily set aside. That is more proper, so that they what you give them. Allah knows what is in your hearts. Surely! Allah is all knowing and gracious.
It shall be unlawful for you to take more wives or to change your present wives for other women, through their beauty please you, unless they are slave-girls whom you own. Allah takes cognizance of all things. (Quran 33-51-52)At first I thought Ade Wanto had been sniffing glue, but no, everything is clear now. HE HAS BEEN READING AL-QUR’AN.
By the way, Ade Wanto seems – rightly – appalled by some depravations in America and the West in general. But then why is he so fascinated with the lyrics of their pop culture? -
Personally I am sure most moslem are monogamist.
Muhammad also discouraged polygamy saying how difficult to be fair and just.
Only some of them are using the Quran to justify their desire.Remember, Abraham had two wives. If we analyse further, many people in the Old Testament are polygamist. However, it does not mean Judaism and Christianity allow polygamy. Christianity and Judaism is strictly monogamist and respect women.
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I was thinking, if I was married and my husband was steril, or he couldn’t perform his duties as a husband because he was sick, or he relies on me on living because of his condition, what would he feel like if I ask for permission for a second husband.
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Achmad Sudarsono say : That’s what we need to clarify in this important discussion.
What are important issues on this discussion? Longest our dick? Better we go to Marriot, oooops, sorry, I mean, Mak Erot. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Uhm.
Allah has created things couples: you and me, day and night, big and small, hot and cold, left and right, right and wrong. However, as we know better, only us are eggs whose come from chicken’s butt. The others are the rest which come from butt of chicken. Huuuuurrrraaaay. Where are you Xanana? What a meal you have been eating? An Australian chick. Wow. You should thanks to Howard. For me, thanks Australian, you have removed a stone in my shoe. Bring your tax money payer as much as you can. Feed Timor Leste as long as you want. Viva Xanana. Viva Dilli. Viva Interfet. Where are you Adriano? Sleep well. Play ball. Enough is enough, you say.
And, for us, better We listen these:
You people, it is you who stand in need of Allah. Allah is all-sufficient and glorious. Allah can destroy you if Allah will and replace you with a new creation; this is no impossible thing for Allah.
No soul shall bear another’s burden. If a laden soul cries out for help, not even a near relation shall share its burden.
You shall admonish none but those who fear their Lord though they cannot see Allah, and are steadfast in prayer. He that keeps himself pure has much to gain. To Allah shall all return.
The blind and the seeing are not equal, nor are the darkness and the lisght. The shade and the heat are not equal, nor are the living and the dead. Allah can cause whom Allah will to hear Allah, but you cannot make those who are in their graves hear you. (Quran 35:18-19)
Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good woman are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely Allah is high, supreme.
If you fear a breach between a man and his wife, appoint an arbiter from his people and another from hers. If they wish to reconciled, Allah will bring them together again. Surely Allah is all-knowing and wise. (Quran 4:34-35)
And, for the others, better listen these:
People of the Book (Ahlul Kitab), don’t transgree the bounds of your religion. Speak nothing but the truth about Allah. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than Allah’s apostle and Allah’s Word and Allah’s apostle and do not say: “Three.” Forbear, and it shall be better for you. Allah is but God. Allah forbid that Allah should have a son! Allah is all that the heavens and the earth contain. Allah is the all-sufficient protector. The Messiah does not disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are nearest you to Allah. Those who through arrogance disdain Allah service shall all be brought before Allah. (Quran 4:171-172)
I think better we are talking about these:
sm4lange Says:
Ihaknt Says:
Rather than talked these:
Dimp says :
I think Patung will sad if we use his creation for such thing. I believe Patung do not intend to build this site to disgracing somebody and humiliating something. But, for me, it’s their call. They ask for it, why not?
Our nation has just beginning on reform. We need a big work to solve many problems including, as sm4lange says, discrimination against Indonesian women married to foreign spouses, where by they are not allowed to sponsor their husbands as Permanent Residents, further more, under the law, WNI women having foreign spouses are not allowed to own properties which make Ihaknt moved out. (In fact, I believe, Ihaknt moved out because her husband’s duty. Not because he hated Indonesia.)
For me, I hardly have to ensure my belly dancer and all my women get proper protection. That I will fight at all cost. To make the The State Law fulfilling what all Indonesian’ need properly.
My women? Of course:
My mother whose have sisters whose have daughters
My father whose have sisters whose have daughters
My mother in law whose have sisters whose have daughters
My father in law whose have sisters whose have daughters
My wife whose have sisters whose have daughters
My sisters whose have sisters whose have daughters
My brothers whose have sisters whose have daughters
Even my neighbors whose have wife whose have sisters whose have daughters
Even my friends whose have wife whose have sisters whose have daughters
Even you whose have wife have sisters whose have daughters
They are all my women. As a man, I must give proper protection from such:
> free sex life style
> prostitution
> sexual harrashment
> domestic abuse
> homosexual (lesbianism) marital
> non marital relationship
> abortion
> and others, including what sm4lange says.
Do you think it is about dick? Do you think it is about wild sex? Oh. Come on. It is about responsibility of a man. I really can get sleep well if my daughter can home safe leaving her school. I do not want like people in America whose fear to the Gang rather than their God.
But, if any woman like this, say, “what am I doing? arguing with someone like you”¦. waste of my time “¦It was fun while it lasted”¦. I’m bored now. Plus I need to go worship my fab four deities”¦..” After this man say, “Janma,
This guy is even worse than any radicals we ever meet. Do not waste your time.”
What should I do? Do you think only you existing woman in this planet. Do you think I can’t find and marry women much much much much much better than you? Go to hell with your vagina. Shits.
Better I listen this song whose sing by Eric Clapton with my belly dancer who really understand what the meaning of this song for her.
(After I asked, she told me what the meaning of this song. She said: This song is kind expression (from a man of course) about discrimination.
Wow, you are really my belly dancer.
Thanks Allah for your healthy present.)
Do you think I posted all those for nothing? Oh. Come on. Hearteyeblinders.
“where are you, maurice”
“looking a note”
“which one”
“still find”
you good into deep, maurice
(do you watch Jodie Foster, as a FBI agent, chasing a psychopat, whose name? Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
hello, maurice.
what do we do, as society which produce, a man like “Hannibal”?
what do we do, as society which produce, a girl naked in front of camera?
do you think Indonesian Law have one to protect our woman?
those are about discrimination or what?
those are about protecting our woman or what?
those are about whose gods? or, which gods?
wow. thats to far.
let us back to the root.