25 Comments on “Living in Jakarta”
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Ally Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:51 pm“people say what they think the other person wants to hear”¦”
My physics teacher ever said: “treat a person as the way he/she wants to be treated”
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Thomas Belfield Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 3:17 amThe Javanese saw catastrophe as a cosmic sign that not all was right with ruler and the nation. Perhaps in that sense the forest fires were the first signs of trouble…
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Achmad Sudarsono Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 7:14 amAlly,
Bules tend to have a barbaric mentality and don’t understand the subtleties of Javanese civilization.
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Fred Floggle Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 8:48 amIndeed we are the Barbarians at the Gates.
Now satpam, get off your ass and open it, and wash the Benz before you go back to sleep.
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Rambutan Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 9:20 amIndonesians practise what they call basi-basi, or rather “nothing talk”, in which they strive their hardest not to offend by speaking about absolutely nothing”¦..no direct reference is made to another person. “¦Very often in Indonesia no one is really sure who is talking to who and what indeed they mean, if anything at all.
This is such a tired cliche. As if Westerners wouldn’t talk endlessly about the weather or gossip about the latest Britney Spears scandal. This is by no means unique to Indonesians. It is just done in the cultural context and maybe difficult to understand and decipher for Westerners.
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perseus Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 5:27 pmBules tend to have a barbaric mentality and don’t understand the subtleties of Javanese civilization.
Indeed we are the Barbarians at the Gates.
Now satpam, get off your ass and open it, and wash the Benz before you go back to sleep.
ROTFL….
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January 7th, 2008 at 7:08 pmp.s. Perseus, there’s more to investment than Tattslotto.
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January 8th, 2008 at 4:59 amp.s. Perseus, there’s more to investment than Tattslotto.
Most of my dosh is in Australian Equites and Global Resource Stocks my friend. No Tattslotto, only BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto etc etc… Lotto is for losers…
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January 8th, 2008 at 8:29 amWell more the fool you. If you invest overseas from here you don’t get taxed. But it’s true, the Australian companies much more stable than their filthy Indonesian counterparts. Bakrie Resources, one of the stars of the sector, is a den of thieves.
But why are you putting most of your dosh into a resource sector. Not worried about volatility ? You’ve probably got a house, so three asset classes is a fair amount of diversification. -
Jakartass Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 1:48 pmThanks for the review, Patung.
Please note that your nitpicking refers to stuff I left in from my mate Del’s original manuscript, including the ‘green’ reference to Suharto’s downfall. Mind you, I also think you’re wrong to suggest that only two foreigners are likely to come to Jakarta. Have you got both their names?
That said, please ask Perseus and AS to get back on topic, which is, of course, the further glorification of yours truly.
BTW. Who or what are Britney Spears?
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January 8th, 2008 at 1:53 pmFriend,
Jakartass,
You are a rare thing: A Bule of wisdom and insight. If I wasn’t already Indonesian, I’d buy your book and read it for insights into Nusantara. Perhaps you’d like to do PR consulting for the Mojopahit Empire when it ascends again.
I thank you Friend.
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Derek Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 3:20 pmGreat review – shame some of the comments afterwards turn so quickly into an “us vs them”, “bule vs pribumi” state of affairs. Shame that. (The book is pretty mean about some of the awful “bule” types you get in Jakarta – if that’s any consolation.) All the best. Happy New Year.
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January 8th, 2008 at 6:59 pmAchmad says:
But why are you putting most of your dosh into a resource sector. Not worried about volatility ? You’ve probably got a house, so three asset classes is a fair amount of diversification.
I have high risk tolerance and most of my dosh is in a broad fund covering Australian Equities rather than Global Resources. I am punting on the Indians taking over from the Chinese post the Beijing Games – when I suspect the Chinese might have a little post-Olympic hangover. That is if they get over losing the cricket. The recent pressers from Rio and BHP lead me to believe the resources boom is more of a paradigm shift than a boom. We have two new Europes on the scene (China / India) in terms of demand for resources.
You show a disturbing (indeed suspicous) amount of financial nous for a ukelele player…
I was quite impressed with the performance of the Jakarta bourse in 2007. About 50% growth was it not?
Not so impressed that I rushed out to buy Indo stocks mind you – just interested and looking impressed…
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January 8th, 2008 at 7:05 pmPerseus,
Hard to say on India versus China. There are alot of Chinese who want their MTV and their fridge, and their air conditioner and even just a new rice cooker. All such activities need energy, which, unfortunately for the environment, but good for you, will be mostly coal-fired. Even if the Chinese do have a hangover and just manage to feed themselves, (highly likely), that’s still 2-3 % economic growth, which’ll keep BHP healthy. That’s not even starting on metals, palm oil, and…(ominous music) uranium.
On the new Indonesia Stock Exchange (Jak & Surabaya merged last year), yes, impressive. Sort of. It’s still a hornet’s nest of insider trading (see latest PGN scandal), and all this dumb money just keeps flowing in. But Indonesia’s hitched to the India and especially China wagon as well.
But we’re supposed to be yanking Jakartass’s chain…
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January 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pmThat said, please ask Perseus and AS to get back on topic, which is, of course, the further glorification of yours truly.
I should like to state categorically and for the record as one of the legendary 2 bule prepared to move to Jakarta tomorrow that Culture Shock is a literary masterpiece to be compared most favorably with lesser works such as War and Peace, Tender is the Night and Hamlet and an indispensible guide to how not to offend the locals – who it must be said are pretty easy to offend – especially my good mate Achmad – who I suspect is really a bule taking the piss out the pribumi by pretending to be a pribumi.
What exactly is a pribumi anyway? I guess if I actually read the book I would know, right? Is is on sale in Australia??
Is that enough glorification Jakartass or do want it once more with sincerity (as the bishop said to the actress…)
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January 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pmAh, Perseus.
Flattery will get you….
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Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
January 9th, 2008 at 8:02 pmFriend,
… especially my good mate Achmad – who I suspect is really a bule taking the piss out the pribumi by pretending to be a pribumi.
I can bet my last dollar he is as Javanese as our nasi liwet and gudeg with his indepth knowledge of our culture. Bules just can’t stand it if a well-travelled and well-learned Brown man speak and write better than themselves. Gone were the days of colonialism.
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January 10th, 2008 at 4:31 amBules just can’t stand it if a well-travelled and well-learned Brown man speak and write better than themselves.
Well my project manager who tells me what to do everyday is brown – Indonesian / Chinese and writes better than I do, talks better than I do, and does way nicer diagrams than I do etc etc and I have no problem with that. Nor with the fact that she is female and younger than me. (I do write better software than she does… Guess that is why I have a job.)
What I do have a problem with is bigots and racists. I don’t care what colour they are. Being brown does not give you a license to be a racist bigot. Sorry and all that.
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January 10th, 2008 at 4:32 amAh, Perseus.
Flattery will get you”¦.
A complimentary review copy???
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Janma Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 10:58 amI’ve heard a womans period called lampu merah before…. it’s a play on the merah obviously for the blood and the lampu merah, meaning stop, meaning men (in the high moral environment of Indonesia, read this as ‘husband’) have to leave you alone for a few days…
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January 10th, 2008 at 11:38 amDear Friend,
Yes, I am as Javanese as Nyai Loro Kidul, Queen of the South Seas, and Bong Supit, the famous circumcisionist in Yogyakarta.
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January 10th, 2008 at 11:44 amP.S. Friend,
On the question of Lampu Merah, let’s just say that isn’t not just Biblical Jews who like to “Cross the Red Sea…”
Va Va Voom !
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Patung Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 8:54 pmMind you, I also think you’re wrong to suggest that only two foreigners are likely to come to Jakarta. Have you got both their names?
You’ve lost me there, where did I suggest that?
I’ve heard a womans period called lampu merah before”¦. it’s a play on the merah obviously for the blood and the lampu merah, meaning stop, meaning men (in the high moral environment of Indonesia, read this as ‘husband’) have to leave you alone for a few days”¦
You may well be right and if so I stand corrected, makes sense the way you explain it, although it would then be odd to use it for a young girl’s first one but well never mind. I had thought he’d just got it mixed up with lagi merah.
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January 10th, 2008 at 9:22 pmHi Patung.
In your first paragraph you mention that the book is just “the thing for both foreigners wishing to know something of what life in Jakarta is like, and how to manage things once they have arrived.
That as many as two people may want to come having read the book is just the sort of good news we wanted to hear. It makes the months of detailed research down Jl. Jaksa worthwhile.
In another review, the book is described as a “page turner”, so it should be fairly obvious that we were aiming at the ‘book at bedtime’ market.
And lampu merah is a quote from our respective wives, who hail from opposite ends of the country.
J
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January 10th, 2008 at 9:41 pmAh yes, there it is.
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