Transnational Islam

Jul 27th, 2007, in IM Posts, by David

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13 Comments on “Transnational Islam”

Odinius Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 12:25 am
The NU is not assertive enough IMO. It is the world’s largest Muslim organization, and it should behave as such. Why should the NU be so passive when others are calling them heretics, pagans, etc.? I don’t mean physically fight, but NU should be out there putting its foot down that other versions of Islam are no more correct or pure than its own.
Abul Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 1:10 am
I’ve got lots of respect for NU. Theirs is the most friendliest face of Islam that I’ve seen so far, apart from IslamLib. Wish them all the best.
Shiva Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 2:09 am
Abul Says:

I’ve got lots of respect for NU. Theirs is the most friendliest face of Islam that I’ve seen so far, apart from IslamLib. Wish them all the best.

When an organization has the blood of several hundred thousand Indonesians on their hand, they have no respect from me.

The gestapu and Nahdatul Ulama Run Amok.
Abul Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 3:35 am
Lol, you’ve got that right shiva, forgot the fact that NU has its share of bloodletting during the sixties.
Odinius Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 3:38 am
NU today just ain’t the same as it was in 1965-7.

It supported the jakarta charter then. it ceased to in the 1970s, it supported ABRI then, it ceased to in the 1970s, it wanted sharia law imposed then, it ceased to in the 1970s.

Doesn’t make what ANSOR did right, but it does point to NU being hardly recognizable from the version during Sukarno’s days.
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 7:48 am
Re,

The NU is not assertive enough IMO. It is the world’s largest Muslim organization, and it should behave as such. Why should the NU be so passive when others are calling them heretics, pagans, etc.? I don’t mean physically fight, but NU should be out there putting its foot down that other versions of Islam are no more correct or pure than its own.

Just an afterthought,

I was wrong to hold Sputjam responsible for the tsunami and earthquake. He is after all, a GOOD moslem practising what he preach.

NU were GOOD moslem when they had blood on their hands, but now become BAD moslem for feeling guilty and apologizing for their pasts. According to a top islamic academic, they are the one responsible for the wrath of Allah on Javanese and Achehnese. Shame on NU. BAD BAD moslem for being passive and tolerant. More tsunami, earthquake and hell fire on the way. Repent now!
Odinius Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 8:21 am
@aluang, was the syamsuddin that said that? I know he said the tsunami was allah’s wrath at acehnese not being good enough Muslims.

Jerry falwell said the same thing about hurricane katrina victims not being good enough Christians.

Amazing!
Djoko Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 10:21 am
What the NU leadership (Gus Dur and those who are either close to him or otherwise officially sanctioned by him) says and what the NU grassroots (kiai and nahdiyyin on the local level) does are two completely different things. I think you’ll find that the NU grassroots are just as supportive of things like shariah as they ever have been. Even the women’s wing of the NU, Fatayat supported the anti-pornography laws…

What the NU is worried about though is that some groups (*cough* PKS/tarbiyah *cough*) are tapping into this continuing grassroots level support for shariah and drawing their supporters and mosques away from them. Groups like PKS and Hizbut Tahrir are essentially doing what Muhammadiyah was doing at the start of the 20th Century. Though just like Muhammadiyah these groups in time will likely moderate their stance and newer groups will pop up to replace them again. So continues the circle of Indonesian Islamization which has been going on for the past few centuries, is not complete, and likely never will be.
Raden Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Frankly, this is clearly the boring topics for those who are not Muslim. And since the majority of Muslim fellow in Indonesia are moron & low in education, these counter productive specific Islam problems are becoming the National Agenda. Thus become the country-wide burden for our economy & political progression.
Thus … if you are non Muslims, it is better to leave this moron country, it is not worth of your time to live in Indonesia indeed.

THOSE WHO ARE THINKING OF MARRYING OR OBTAINING INDONESIAN CITIZEN, BEWARE OF THOSE INDONESIAN MUSLIM ENDEMIC PROBLEMS BEFORE YOU MAKE DECISION TO GET YOUR WORTHLESS GREEN PASSPORT
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
July 27th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Odinius,

@aluang, was the syamsuddin that said that? I know he said the tsunami was allah’s wrath at acehnese not being good enough Muslims.

Jerry falwell said the same thing about hurricane katrina victims not being good enough Christians.

Amazing!

Nope, Odinius. It was said by top Egyptian Geologist Zaghloul El-Naggar. He is a leading figure in Middle Eastern moslem society, a member of the Geologist Society of London and he publishes internationally.

What he said recently,

“We (the Islamic world) are not behind because ofIslam. We are behind because of what the Americans and British have done to us.”
“The earthquake that trigger the 2005 tsunami and washed away nearly a quarter of a million lives are moral warning from God. Allah had expressed his wrath over the sins of the west.”

When prompted why had God punished Southeast Asia rather than Los Angeles or the coast of Florida, he said,

“Because the lands that were hit had tolerate the immoral behaviour of tourists.”

Based on what this Islamic top academic had said (infact many echoed the same tune); I, bro Cuk and Sputjam have every reason to believe NU members had brought on the calamities. I was in Yogya and Solo last week and could not believe what I have seen – Chinese restaurants selling pork sio may, Muslimahs not wearing jilbab and the Borobudur is still there.

Amazing!
Tomaculum Says:
July 28th, 2007 at 1:34 am
Because the lands that were hit had tolerate the immoral behaviour of tourists.

As far as I know Aceh isn’t a touristic region. So which people should be punished?
Logically it sohould be Bali, isn’t it? But maybe logically thinking is forbidden in some circles?
Amazing!!

Shiva, why do you hate Islam so much?
Ihaknt Says:
July 28th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Maybe Shiva was Ismail. hehehehe.
Raden Says:
July 28th, 2007 at 11:36 am
or maybe Shiva is a Jewish, ha ha