Yusron Mahmudi/Ainul Bahri

Jun 21st, 2007, in IM Posts, by David

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13 Comments on “Yusron Mahmudi/Ainul Bahri”

Abul Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 2:18 am
Reading news like this I am just so damn glad that now I reside in another country. if the guinness book of records keep such record as “the country with the most ignorant narrow-minded shallow pig-head retards”, Indonesia will surely win each time.. even if the record-verification is done every week.

The du-R-jana guy is a crazed terrorist for f.ck sake! Who knows if he straps suicide-bomb belt unto his body a la that azahari-c.ck-sucker when the police attempted to catch him. better incapacitate first and ask question later, know what I mean?

I felt sorry for the dude’s children to witness the capture, but then again it’s for the better good. Just treat them in the hospital, make sure they recover, and have them under state care (schooling, financial support, etc) to make sure they will grow up as civilized and reasonable human being.

Give DenSus 88 a proper credit, I really think they have done a splendid job on this, they even manage to incapacitate the f.ck-face instead of killing him given the situation.
Colson Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 2:33 am
@abul: Some humans are terrorist-suspects. Human rights are meant for all human beings. So the human rights should be applied to terrorist-suspects as well.

By the way: no one should be above the law. Especially men of the law should respect the law. So in my opinion mr Sisno is talking a load of dangerous nonsense.
Rockstar Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 3:33 am
colson
Terrorist isn’t human, they’re a life-doll with stupid doctrines attached in them. So it’s alright to shot him (better than him sneaking away).

I have to disagree with you, you have to look at how miserable life would be if these guys got away again. I totally agree with Sisno.
Sylvester Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 7:02 am
Yes rockstar,
However, his children are human. Anyway, we do not know exactly what had happened. It is possible that those damn terrorists together with that evil DPR guys created the story, isn’t it?
Rambutan Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 10:21 am
Human Rights apply to everyone! Period!
However, I wish the dear Members of Parliament would raise the issue of Human Rights when the thugs of FPI and similar organisations attack innocents, forcefully close churches, etc. Usually, there is just silence emanating from the DPR…
Arema Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 10:35 am
Talking about human right in a situation like this? That’s crap, and nothing more than a attention-seeker or diversion tactics by Dujana’s supporters. Defending a uber-terrorist’s human right? You got to be kidding me! Is he human in the first place? Physically yes, mentally an animal, an uncontrollable, brutal, and ruthless animal.

Don’t tell me the police should waste their hard work locating Dujana by approaching him slowly and politely, risking him escaping or possibly drawing his weapon and fire back? No sane police would do that. It’s been a long and arduous campaign, and certainly they can’t allow any slip-up in the capture. Imagine a football game. You are the striker, and after a marvelous combination, you get through and have a very good chance to score a goal, would you waste it? This chance may not come the second time in the same match, and thus very very precious, and has to be fully utilized. And capturing a hot terror suspect like Abu Dujana is like having to score in World Cup Final or Champions League final. You just can’t miss!

Those who are babbling and rambling about Abu Dujana’s human rights clearly do not appreciate the hard work of our Densus 88 at all. Commander Sisno Adiwinoto’s comment is exactly what I’ll say if I was on his shoes. I agree completely on all of his quoted words. It’s good to see that at least we got some good leaders in Indonesia, and one of them is in the all-important police force!

But having said all these, I’m aware that the police often “exercise their shooting skills” to cripple criminals, even AFTER they are captured! I heard stories from my relatives and employees, that the police always shot the legs of captured criminals or almost captured criminals. Personally I’m not against that, they’re criminals anyway, but I do believe police can be more responsible for their act especially on minor crimes, because if the suspect was not guilty… the police will be in a terrible mess.

Abu Dujana’s case is different, it’s a must-score goalscoring chance. And shooting from close-range is maybe to prevent hitting his kids. Conclusion: Well done police! Keep it up!
Rockstar Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 10:49 pm
You’re right his children is human, but again you may disagree with me but I’d rather him and his family to suffer than the whole group of innocent people. He knew exactly what he is doing is COMPLETELY wrong and that eventually will make his family suffer. He knows that exactly and yet his wife -I bet – still supports him. I’d like to give them my sympathy, but that’s the consequence they’d get out of it.

So yea, I totally agree with Arema, human rights is VERY important, but IMO it also depends on the situation. We wouldn’t know what would happen if this guy managed to sneak away. He probably would just leave his wife and kid behind. He would only think of himself. Well that’s the nature I think.

I personally think that somebody needs to run this country with an iron fist against those who obviously has any intention to drag this country even down to hell. An organization like FPI for an instance. I don’t mind if the police use any means necessary to beat those thugs to a pulp.
Raden Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 11:20 pm
That is Indonesia, ‘the human-rights’ are belong to the majority voice.
Why there are very little of good news in these blog’s topics? All are the bad, disappointing and ugly news? If there is one good news then there is no one like to comment, what’s wrong with Indonesia?
For non Muslim minority, living in Indonesia is disturbing, if your brain can no longer take it, then better to leave Indonesia, otherwise you become lethargic & finally joint the idiot group.
Colson Says:
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Rockstar: Everyone in his right mind despises terrorists. That kind of gut feeling is easy.

But it’s irrelevant here. No, rockstar, human rights don’t depend on the situation. They are not just about imprisoned dissidents in Cuba or China. They also should be applied to terrorist-suspects – by the US-government as well as by the judiciary in Indonesia. Which proves to be not that easy unfortunately.
Rockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Colson, you’re absolutely right.
But again, I don’t feel even a bit sympathy to those people or their family at all.

Raden

For non Muslim minority, living in Indonesia is disturbing, if your brain can no longer take it, then better to leave Indonesia, otherwise you become lethargic & finally joint the idiot group.

You know what Raden, you are right. Living in Indonesia will be very disturbing if surrounded by people like you who can’t even take criticism. And that’s what is happening right now. How many Indonesian people especially in our government that can take good critisism/constructive feedback from the people? NONE!

If this wasn’t the case than Indonesia would have been so much better now.

Why don’t you try to put yourself in our shoes as a minor rather than keep telling us to leave the country?

oh I just don’t get it who is this idiotic group? Like those morons who live in Indonesia and keep ruining the country? Man they aren’t idiot, they are just simple morons (have a pee brain).

And if you don’t like it here (this blog), I’d suggest you to leave!
agam Says:
June 24th, 2007 at 8:29 am
I think the Police Commander respond was true and realistic.

To catch this dangerous suicidal bomb commander you need to have enough datas, perfect plan and set everything right before you did. The timing of arrestment was perfectly right, with the children around him, it will minimise the suspect to react stupidly. To ensure his surrendering and to protect your team who did the operation, one or two bullets may be needed to ensure his unconditional surrender. Great job for Indonesian Police especially Densus 88!

….(hopeless mode: off!)

But to throw a statement like the Police Commander did was unecessary, it just giving chances for this thug groups to reacts and reoriented the main issue. In the future the Police will need better PR Officer.

And I am not surprise by some ‘DPR’ comment, they’re really represented their votters that mostly stupid and uneducated.

….pffuihhh..(hopeless mode: on!)
Teta Says:
June 24th, 2007 at 10:59 am
Oh no, a terrorist got shot because he tries to flee. Oh no, his family saw the whole thing. Poor little terrorist. We should just let him go so he can bomb other families.

Bullocks!!! Fry his ass.
Dragonwall Says:
July 13th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
Human Rights are meant for people who have not violated others Rights.
When you jeopardize other innocent people’s life, you are already violating other people’s Human Rights. what more when this “Aduh Duriana” statement that says that “Blood Will Continue To Flow”. Is that a threat. a threat alone is good enough for him to be incarcerated for life let alone being caught with a device.
When you strapped a bomb or carrying device that look like a bomb in public conveyancing then you are no longer a suspect but a terrorist. One may argue that he was carrying a calculator or a clock timer right!
One should understand the difference between continental and conventional law.
Prove wrong or be proven wrong. That is the difference. In this case he has prove himself wrong. So who is he to blame. It is the norm when people pretending to be pathetic by bringing their wife and children into the limelight like “kasihan” looking. Then later this guy will be acquited or discharged or given a light sentence like that pig head Basyir. This is typical of Muslim Militant Terrorist like what we see in the Israeli/Palestine conflict. NO HUMAN RIGHTS FOR THESE MUSLIM MILITANT TERRORIST. THEIR RIGHT IS TO APPOINT AN ATTORNEY/LAWYER TO DEFEND THEM. WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE ALL THEY COULD DO IS GIVE EXCUSE AND MITIGATE. IF THE INDONESIAN COURT DO NOT IMPOSE A DETERRENT SENTENCE THEN I THINK EVERYONE AND THOSE THAT OPT FOR DEMOCRACY SHOULD NOT BE IN INDONESIA ANY LONGER.