Sunday School

June 4th, 2007, in News & Issues, by Patung

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27 Comments on “Sunday School”

  1. Raden Says:
    June 4th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

    Is this really true? Only if I am living in Jkt, I don’t mind to drive my car & visit there to inspect myself? I think this website is doing provocative news? I personally don’t believe this news, or let me search other newspapers tonight.

  2. Ihaknt Says:
    June 4th, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    Well if the news is true, isn’t that beautiful this tolerance thing only for [insert religion here] of course, bugger the others. Ah, what a peaceful world.

  3. orgindo Says:
    June 4th, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    Is this really true? Only if I am living in Jkt, I don’t mind to drive my car & visit there to inspect myself? I think this website is doing provocative news? I personally don’t believe this news, or let me search other newspapers tonight.

    I think if it is not true, then you have to blame metroTV (Read the quote), not this website.

    Anyway, if you are looking for a 100% reliable news, I guess you better switch to more traditional media (although they are still bias), not blog. Or, to the extreme, you can just be a journalist yourself. :p

    Peace

  4. Sylvester Says:
    June 4th, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    Muhammad himself respect Christian people, saying they are People of the Book. I think these mobs are simply a bunch of low educated people provoked by evil imams. Now it is up to Indonesians whether they want to be poisoned by their teaching or not.

  5. Tomaculum Says:
    June 4th, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    And where are the law guards?
    Ooops, sorry, the law (in Indonesia) is (maybe) only valid for certain groups …….
    And the guards look after that such things can be done unhurriedly and without disturbance ( :( ).

  6. Tomaculum Says:
    June 4th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    or they (the guards) come punctual, but at the wrong time ????

    Tolerance.
    Do someone know if there is an Indonesian word for it …… :)

  7. Julita Says:
    June 4th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    I am sorry, but I trust Patung. I think he would want to maintain the quality of his blog.

    What happened, is very sad, though is it something new? We hear this on and on, no question about it. My heart really goes to those living in Indonesia who only wanted peace and spread love. That their very own people did such a low, humiliating act as hitting a woman on the head, and this is also for the “God is Great”. As if God needs their help, what a hypocrite, what did Moni do to them? As a woman sad, very sad and hurt and what could Moni do? Nothing!

  8. Peter Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 4:46 am

    Ya, di mana ada polisi? This is why people don’t want to come to Indonesia.

  9. Tomaculum Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 5:03 am

    Peter,
    The police in Indonesia come always on time … but their watches work usually too slow.

    Julita,
    you’re right. Such news are no more worth for a head line. More interesting is a report about peace and lower price of edible oil.

  10. Dimp Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 6:28 am

    Hey Raden,

    Is this really true? Only if I am living in Jkt, I don’t mind to drive my car & visit there to inspect myself? I think this website is doing provocative news? I personally don’t believe this news, or let me search other newspapers tonight.

    If you think that this website is provocative then why are you still reading this? I trust Patung that he has researched the news before posting, unlike some tabloids that just print any stories to increase their revenue.

  11. Arema Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 11:15 am

    I hope the Christians there stay strong, and do not retaliate, but treat the aggressors in kindness instead. It is a hard thing to do, after being hurt in such a way, but we have to follow Jesus’ example.

  12. orgindo Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    You shall preach and try to convert people by heart, if that doesn’t work, try by tongue, then hand. Only if all those fail shall you use the sword.

    I am not very sure if they have tried to convert using heart. Not sure if it is allowed to jump directly for sword. Sigh, when will they learn.

  13. Mohammed Khafi Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    orgindo,

    Your misquote:

    You shall preach and try to convert people by heart, if that doesn’t work, try by tongue, then hand. Only if all those fail shall you use the sword.

    is based on hadith, these hadih are the reason for most of the despicable behaviour of these so called Muslims.

    The misquote is actuall based on Jihad, Struggle in the way of Allah, and is nothing to do with conversion of Christians or any others.

    These people will never learn as long as they are being taught that these fabricated stories are the truth, That truth can only come from God’s words in Torah, Injeel, and Al Quran.

    Arema is right with her comments, if the Christian brothers and sisters react in this way, they have clearly shown that they are closer to Gods teaching than the so called Muslims.

    I sometimes cannot believe that these inhuman thugs have even read Al Quran, which preaches acceptance of Christians, Jews and others who believe in God, believe in The Day of Judgement and do good deeds.

    Shame on them and their teachers, so, so far from Gods path!

    Peace

  14. Julita Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    Thanks, Patung for posting, it serves it’s purpose, it shows how people do not learn, do not change, how they act without reason or feeling, and still some try to deny this.

    It is not enough for Muhammad Mukmin, head of AGAP (Anti-apostate Movement Alliance), and Hedi Muhammad from the Anti-Apostate Division of the Islamic Ulema Forum (FUUI) to deny. They should condemn groups acting without their knowing, oh, my, I am dreaming. Well, anyway;

    Dearest Moni,
    I am half the world away, I am a woman and I feel for you.
    I know you are so hurt and upset and there is not a thing you can do. May this words soothe your feeling, remember,
    “My child, I love you.” I personally died for you on the cross.
    God bless.

  15. Tomaculum Says:
    June 6th, 2007 at 4:13 am

    After FPI, FBR and the others, now Indonesia has AGAP.
    When will you have AGUPO (Aliansi Gerakan Untuk Pakai Otak= Alliance of the Movement to use the brain) oder maybe FGAAS (Front Gerakan Anti Apa Saja= Movement Front against everything) or GABTK (Gerakan Anti yang Bau Toleransi dan Kristen= Movement Against everything smells like tolerance or Christianity).
    Hmmm, brain? Hmmm, tolerance? In Indonesia?? (just a little joke).

  16. Dimp Says:
    June 6th, 2007 at 6:47 am

    Hi Tomaculum,

    Unfortunately even if they actually use their brain, there won’t be much difference. Their judgement and common sense have been clouded by prejudice and hatred.

  17. Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri Says:
    June 6th, 2007 at 9:57 am

    It is really sad to see how the so-called faithful Moslems could degenerate this low. I am sad, that I could not prevent this from happening. I am so sad that nobody could help protect the poor Moni from being abused by these thugs. Shame on the
    police and the military for letting this happen - so much for their brass, marching band and cannons paid by the tax-payers (including those being abused and attacked). But primarily shame on me for not being able to prevent this from happening!

    Who is/ are behind them? I was so aghast when in 1998 the military concocted “pam-swakarsa” and FPI just simply because they could not handle the FORKOT and other student demonstrators. Some army generals (now retired) unashamefully made a public barrage (it was in the news) among themselves when finally they could not come to terms as to how the pie should be cut and who should pay what how much.

    Later in the 2000s when we know more about the petro-wahabbi-dollars get into the equation (this is also a known public fact) then it became really complicated. If I were the head of the BIN I will check who those people are and how they got funded. If I were the head of the police I will arrest them and questions them and find their master-mind. If it happens in front of me I will do whatever I could to stop them.

    I don’t care if it is a religious, business, or family dispute. Abusing a woman before his husband and before the children in their own house, and by the gang too? Even the criminals like the Mafiosi have the dignity to do it in a more civilized way.

  18. Molisan Tono Says:
    June 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    Hi folks, just back on earth.

    Sad to say again, why all this happen to children? So tell me my Moslem fella, is pesantren legal too? Do you guys need permit to do that? Have you ever asked you Christian fella when attend to one of pesantren service?

    Evil behind sacral shade, what a twisted hypocracy again.

  19. Tomaculum Says:
    June 6th, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    Hi Molisantono,
    don’t you know, in Indonesia rules the lordship of the majority?
    There are three rules in such community:
    1. The majority is always right and has always the right to do what they want to do.
    2. If Nr. 1 is not correct, then number 3 is valid.
    3. Number one is always correct.

  20. Rockstar Says:
    June 7th, 2007 at 10:42 am

    So…
    they gathered a large number of people just to smash a bible and hit a woman?

    WOW.. just wow!!

    Are they really that chickensh*t?

    WOW,.. again just wow.. they have never ceased to amaze me. Simply wow.

  21. Ross Says:
    June 7th, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    Of course they are that chicken-***t!
    Remember the thousands of fanatic retards attacking that little Muslim sect in Bogor. That’s about their idea of a fair fight. Same in Lombok, where the poor folk wer driven off their homes be cause their Muslim beliefs didn’t match the bullies’.
    Same with Lia and her eccentric Eden Cult. Totally wacky, but harmless. besieged by hundreds of kampung nitwits and sent to prison for worshipping as she saw fit.
    SBY should pardon her at once, or forfeit his nation’s seat on the UN Human Rights Joke..
    The FPI too are mangy cowardly hyenas, enemies of humanity and therefore of any God you may worship.
    Has anyone ever seen a protest from them that wasn’t courageously numbered in dozens or hundreds? Remember the vile abuse they yelled at the poor model going to testify in the Playboy trial? Very brave.
    And their fellow-travellers are as bad or worse. Yellow-bellied rat-bags. They’d run a mile if the security forces took a firm hand.
    Alas, the cops won’t use the tactics that the Marines in East Java used recently. But then the targets there were a pregnant woman and a kiddie. No high-level sympathisers behind them.

  22. Rockstar Says:
    June 8th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    The lowest and worthless scumbag of the earth, FPI and the gang.

  23. Denny Crane Says:
    June 8th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    I believe it is best if one would mitigate the circumstances as to the background of the incident. Being a news broadcaster entails a set of significant obligations of not only conveying the truth but also conducting responsible reporting.

    I myself find the report as fair because it includes the respond of the alleged organizations, aside from the facts. However, I believe it would be better if the authorities’ responds are also covered so that it is not only the accusation and the allegation which are being provided to the public but the process of resolving the incident as well. In this way, the public will have a holistic understanding of the incident in question.

    Peace

  24. Quazi Says:
    June 11th, 2007 at 3:00 am

    Wow, Indonesia is starting to sound like China, forcing you Christians to spit on their Bibles and deny their faith. Too bad for all these violent Islamist pigs that Christianity has grown from 1% of the population in the first census to 11% today, and it continues to grow.

  25. KSJ Says:
    August 17th, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Religion of peace, huh? You guys who argue if the news is trustworthy or not, you’re just fooling yourself, or in other words, you are ashamed of the attitude of the people from the same religion as you and you just don’t want to admit it. You try to manipulate like you always do. The international media got this news? Great… keep doing such barbaric actions guys, as the international (especially western) world likes to hear bad news from Indonesia since the country does not get any respects from outside world.

  26. Stella Says:
    September 6th, 2007 at 10:47 am

    to Raden, who said:

    “Is this really true? Only if I am living in Jkt, I don’t mind to drive my car & visit there to inspect myself? I think this website is doing provocative news? I personally don’t believe this news, or let me search other newspapers tonight.”

    This is true.
    Why not go to Aceh, Indonesia and stay there for at least a month.
    Do your Christian duties faithfully, and let’s see what happens to you.

    We should be praying peace in Indonesia - not only for Muslims, not only for Christians. But for all the people.

    God bless Indonesia.

  27. JKS Says:
    December 29th, 2007 at 4:04 am

    The most responsible party for blaming is the government, never take action in religious violance.
    Fortunately the minority never fight back (except in Ambon and Poso) to majority moslems so this country still in peace.

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