10 Comments on “Hardline Islam”

1. Abul Says:
   June 14th, 2007 at 1:52 am

   Travelling to Jafar’s school, the al-Sunna pesantren on the outskirts of Yogyakarta, Farish said that the old militant and firebrand is now a very bored person.

   probably that’s because he’s having PMS.
   Nawhh.. I was just kidding, it’s really good if “the Indonesian hardline Islam is in a “cooling down” phase”, hope it dies out as time goes by.

2. Saipul Says:
   June 14th, 2007 at 5:41 am

   Hopefully FPI will be outlawed and disbanded soon as well.

3. Sputjam Says:
   June 14th, 2007 at 8:21 am

   The truth is, despite God’s messages in the koran forbidding idol worship, we see billions of Muslims praying towards a stone in mecca every day.
   Despite no messages in the koran telling mankind to worship God, how it should be done, and when etc, Muslims devote a substantial time to do this ritual.
   Despite koran’s messages saying freedom of faith, Muslim religionist kill those who abandon their faith, and those they consider apsotates.
   Despite the koran’s warnings against clerics, Muslims religionist take clerics as their leader.

   What more proof must I show that those who thinks they are Muslims, are in fact pagans of an invented Arab religion.

   Koran messages did not advocate religion. Religion are for pagans and idol worshippers.
   Koran messages highlighted a simple way of life. Some of the guidelines are stated, such as forbidden to kill another soul, treat your parents well etc.
   Keep to this guidelines of doing good deeds, and your thought of God will be magnified.
   Your life in the next is judged only by your deeds, if you beleieve in God.
   For those who disbeleieve in God, despite all the evidence shown in the heavens and the earth, God considers them arrogants.
   Serve God by doing good deeds. If you have problems, He is the knower, The wise.
   Seek help only from God alone. anyhwere, anytime.
   If you suffer from hardship, persevere, and seek help from God, in any language.

   And be warned. Some of the traditional translation of the koran was meant to mislead mankind into pagan worship. Study the newer translations. There are many out there on the internet, above censorship by the lord of paganism, the clerics, who are only protecting their turf when it comes to controlling the human mind.

   Live your life blissfully. Do not be enslaved by clerics and militants

4. Sylvester Says:
   June 14th, 2007 at 11:54 am

   OK Sputjam,
   I see many similarities to Christianity.
   Wish more Moslems would get this englightment soon.

5. riccardo Says:
   June 14th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

   Good stuff, Sputjam do you mind if I put your post up on my site? Let me know. Thanks

6. Djoko Says:
   June 14th, 2007 at 4:03 pm

   He said this was disappointing and re-iterated NU’s committment to Pancasila as the national ideology.

   Oh no, we wouldn’t want the NU with its long history of support for Pancasila to succumb to fundamentalists would we? Or perhaps they’re halfway there already?

   detiknews.

   I hate to tell people but if you do any reading and studies on the NU, particularly about their stance on any political issue you will find they are the biggest flip floppers known to man. Whichever way the wind is blowing you can have a sure bet that the NU is flowing right along with it.

7. Cukurungan Says:
   June 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pm

   Djoko:

   I hate to tell people but if you do any reading and studies on the NU, particularly about their stance on any political issue you will find they are the biggest flip floppers known to man. Whichever way the wind is blowing you can have a sure bet that the NU is flowing right along with it.

   Cukurungan:

   You’re almost right but not fully right, you should aware the reason behind their stance and who take the direction of their umat. Basic principal of their stance is to avoid collision against a big and hard power. Whichever.

8. Sputjam Says:
   June 15th, 2007 at 9:06 am

   sylvester says :-

   OK Sputjam,
   I see many similarities to Christianity.
   Wish more Moslems would get this englightment soon.

   Jesus was a man who served his Creator.
   Jesus’s messages was similar, in that religion is irrelevant, and was sent to correct the corrupted messages of Moses, which became the basis of the Jewish religion. But in the end. Mankind invented Popes and priests.
   Christian have been turned into a religion that worshipped a man called Jesus.

   Why can’t we all serve God who created Jesus and Mohamed and everthing in the heavens and the earth? How? By doing good deeds, especially to your parents and relatives, the orphans etc. for those who do not read the Koran, the “ten commandments” can be the base on which to work on.

   To Riccardo -

   You can post my stuff and hopefully the message will make many think very carefully on whatever beleifs they have inherited.

9. Sylvester Says:
   June 15th, 2007 at 9:13 am

   I see Sputjam,
   You may also know that for Christian, Jesus not only just a man but the Son of God. Son here does not mean biological son, but a word to represent that Jesus comes from God as it is written in both Bible and Koran (Maryam).
   However, I respect your opinion because the relation with God is something private and only God can judge who is right or wrong. Cheers.

10. Raden Says:
    June 17th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    We should sent Jafar Umar Thalib & his Laskar militant fans out to save their brothers in Palestine war, the war between Muslim brothers who like war & shed blood among themselves. We can watch the TV on how good is Indonesian made militants compare to their brothers of Fatah & Hamas, see how good they are? I want to know.

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