Fraternizing

Jun 6th, 2007, in News, by

Young men and women are still mixing freely in Aceh.

The Majelis Permusyawaratan Ulama (MPU), a clerical body, said in May that “cafes” in the capital Banda Aceh, like roadside stalls and simple restaurants, were still allowing young girls and boys, who weren’t related to each other or married, to fraternize unsupervised by sitting next to each other, even while it was time to pray.

Tengku Muktaruddin Bayan of the MPU said:

Because of this we ask the city government of Banda Aceh to deal with cafes that are not supporting Islamic law and are violating it.

There were a lot of these roadside cafes in Banda Aceh nowadays, he said, and they were all full of teenagers.

Sometimes the teenagers go together as couples, it’s a clear opportunity for them to commit sin, above all because the cafes are screened off and the kids gather there late at night.

It didn’t stop there:

Some of the cafes play loud music even when the call to prayer is going out at maghrib.

Something had to be done:

The law has to be imposed on them, if we are the ones who do it wer’e afraid because they have men there who guard the places.

He said the most frequent youthful violators of Islamic law in Banda Aceh were the sons and daughters of government officials and clerics. Such privileged young people needed some special re-education, he said. gatra


43 Comments on “Fraternizing”

  1. avatar Sylvester says:

    The sharia itself is never mentioned in any holy books around the world. It is a product from hypocrite imams which regards human being as animals. The animals that need a barbaric ruthless law. Also, as an illustration, it is impossible to kill all bacteria in the world to avoid infections. The best way is to have our own immunity to prevent sickness. Because the world is not perfect. This is similarity in the teaching in Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Confucianism, etc.

  2. avatar Agam says:

    One more funny news from Serambi Mekah.

    No wonder if they never when deep to the inside of Islam..they just on the ‘entrance’ (=serambi) and never enter!

  3. avatar Peter says:

    Mereka tidak mengerti mereka tidak bisa mengambil orang-orangnya muda menjadi alim dengan kekuatan..

  4. avatar Bas says:

    Such a nice country where even roadside stalls and simple restaurants must be protected by guards.

  5. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Fraternizing and patronizing. Any culture that suppresses and oppresses basic rights will only result in hypocrisy. I bet there are a lot of backyard abortion practices there, that’s of course if the girl not first killed for honor killing. This province should just be another state of Arab. Islam salah kaprah.

  6. avatar Rockstar says:

    At least the youngster aren’t as hypocrite as the seniors.

  7. avatar El Gran Combo Puertorico says:

    Little do those clerics know that keeping boys and girls separated from each other will only bring a greater danger to the society….

    much greater danger.

    be afraid.

    be very afraid.

    the boys will be gays.
    the girls will be lesbians.

    god help us.

    amen.

  8. avatar Agam says:

    Boys will be gays and girls will be lesbian….?

    That’s great!

    So to protect boys from other boy’s ‘dirty lust’ they have to wear jilbab like they had to protect girls.

    Well, at least this will be fair.

  9. Yeah very interesting to see. I wonder how will Aceh become in the next some years. Well, it is hard when they have TVs at homes showing them how wonderful it is to have boyfriends and girlfriends and now you tell them not to go out with the girls or boys they love. It’s freaking impossible. Aceh is part of Indonesia, and the rest of this country outside Aceh is like FREE. And those young people in Aceh know it, and they want to feel it too.

  10. avatar Dinna says:

    I’m confused. As a moslem myself who visited Banda Aceh numbers of times after the tsunami. Went to a cafe and hotel restaurant (which has the priviledge to serve alcohol i.e. beer and wine) and the waiter told me that there is regulation for the moslem acehnese are prohibited to be inside this cafe, even though he/she does not consume alcohol. I could understand and respect this.
    But if you are talking about Islamic Law, the waiter who serve the alcohol, the owner of the cafe who sell the alcohol are moslem acehnese! Confused!*?”*

    It is very easy to get a carton of imported beer and a carton of imported wine in Banda Aceh. At the local shop!

  11. avatar Putu Alberto Lee says:

    Well, it is hard when they have TVs at homes showing them how wonderful it is to have boyfriends and girlfriends and now you tell them not to go out with the girls or boys they love.

    Easy — solution for Aceh — just ban TV then. Or filter the content.
    Also internet, ban it, or filter it just like in China.

    This way Aceh will be safe from external (evil) influence.

  12. avatar Arema says:

    I’m so sick and tired hearing this syariah utter crap happening in Aceh.

    The GAM (Gerakan Aceh Merdeka, Aceh Liberation Movement) we all know is wrong. But Aceh now needs another GAM, not to separate them from Indonesia, but to liberate them from this utmost stupidity!

    The rest of us, we need to make sure there will be no second ‘Aceh’ in Indonesia, especially our own province!

  13. avatar Raden says:

    Hi Arema, the way Tangerang & Banten run their domestic affairs are heading toward the same Aceh’s style.
    So, pak Suharto was correct right ? we need a strong iron hand president to deal with criminals who hide behind religion militancy. In my view, any province who attempted to dwarf Pancasila & Bhinneka Tunggal Ika with their religion militancy ideology should be treated as our nation’s traitors or rebelions, and you know how to deal with those criminals

  14. avatar El Gran Combo Puertorico says:

    Raden,

    Not another china please.

    Yes, yes, investments flowing in to china, bla bla. But, you know. No china kind of life deh.

    Try harder. Lets think more.

  15. avatar Denny Crane says:

    Lock and Load for Aceh,

    First, the law applies by virtue of locality meaning that it only applies to Aceh residents. Second, as with any other laws, there will always be violations, yet it does not necessarily mean that the law is not a good law. If a murder is a crime and murder happens all the time, can we say the law which prohibits murder wrong? Third, there is no protests from Aceh residents pertaining the law. If they feel that they are being disadvantaged, then they can go to the constitutional court to ask for a review of the law at hand.

    I myself support the idea of full democratic autonomy which is to give the freedom to regional government to control every aspect of their societal life, except issues related to sovereignty, e.g. defence.

    Denny Crane

  16. avatar Rockstar says:

    What’s wrong with “china kind of life”?

  17. avatar Raden says:

    El Gran, I didn’t get you, did I say anything related to China here?

  18. avatar Jonathan Hakeem says:

    As an Achenese, who thinks himself as a democrat, who loves democracy alot, I have no objection on the sharia law which have been implemented in my region. Like Denny Crane said, if we feel we are confortable with the law, why you guys should be bother with that? I’m amaze, how you people become like a bunch of fanatics and become so blind that makes you unable to respect others beliefs and virtue, and act as if yours are all the best. I’m sure they are the best, but it would be for you and your custom, not for us.

    long life for democracy

    Joe

  19. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Why doesn’t Aceh kick out all who don’t believe in syariat and build a wall between themselves and Sumatra and the rest of the world? This way nobody should bother any longer. Goodbye and good riddance.

  20. avatar Rockstar says:

    Jonathan, the feeling is mutual. 🙂
    Finally someone does know how it feels to be treated unfairly. I hope this also applies to all the fanatics out there – name it FPI or any other organizations – that keep pushing and pressing minors as well, especially in big cities such as Jakarta and Bandung.

  21. avatar Bas says:

    Indonesian is an heaven for gays. They can live together and do whatever they like night and day and no one disturb them (wich is normal but it should be the same for heteros).

    This is discrimination toward hetero people!

  22. avatar Raden says:

    Dear Jonathan Hakeem,
    Your name looks Christian at a glance, I don’t think there are Muslim person with first name of Jonathan.
    I am not sure you are voicing out to represent true Acehneese or not.
    How do you feel of living in shariah law and suppress the minority there? Otherwise Dewa is correct you should build the wall like in Palestine/Israel to seperate yourself.
    Secondly, you said you like democracy but there is no democracy in Syariah Law, especially to female gender, Islam is religion who dominated by gender (male).
    Indonesia is Bhinneka Tunggal Ika, once you guys like to behave exclusive then it is a violation of our value.

  23. avatar Cukurungan says:

    dewaratugedeanom:

    Why doesn’t Aceh kick out all who don’t believe in syariat and build a wall between themselves and Sumatra and the rest of the world? This way nobody should bother any longer. Goodbye and good riddance.

    Cukurungan:

    Why you asked Aceh to do this to do that. Are you God? If you don’t like with steps has been taken by Aceh, simple buddy don’t ever come to Aceh and Aceh don’t even need you.
    There’s many people doesn’t bother with what happened in Aceh and this world’s isn’t perfect place and there’s more silliest thing occurred around the clock and around the globe and people doesn’t bother at all. It is only because something happen in Aceh where you don’t like with the step chosen by themselves then you are blowing it up as breaking news ….grow-up buddiest. Better “ngaca dulu dong” before you talked about other people.

  24. avatar Oigal says:

    I doubt that too many Acehnese boys will “go gay” but I bet a lot will go to Jakarta.

    Hopefully, the example of Sharia law will effectively immunize anyother part of the country from wanting it. I suspect after a sufficent number of canings and interrupted dinners, the people of Aceh will also dump it.

  25. avatar xmale says:

    These people deserve want they get, there is no hope for them and if this virus spreads to the rest of indo then they get what they deserve.

  26. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Cukurungan wrote:

    Why you asked Aceh to do this to do that. Are you God? If you don’t like with steps has been taken by Aceh, simple buddy don’t ever come to Aceh and Aceh don’t even need you.

    Don’t worry, Cukurungan. I promise I will never come to Aceh. I avoid all places ruled by syariat or other fundamentalist and totalitarian regimes. If more people would act like this and stay away, they will become isolated and wipe out themselves in the end. Look what happens in Gaza.

  27. avatar Raden says:

    Dear Rob,
    I think your assumption is wrong, the caning etc in Syariah Law will not deter the implementation of it in the society. The Aceh model will be a role model to the rest of provinces because it is a legitimate for pribumi Muslim with high rank officer position to protect their corrupt practices in government bodies.
    Trust me, there are so many corruption in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan simply in the name of Syariah Laws, then the ordinary people are being miss handled & their rights are at stake. It is very easy to control people in this format and that is good for world class corruptors who run this country !

  28. avatar Cukurungan says:

    dewaratugedeanom Says:

    If more people would act like this and stay away, they will become isolated and wipe out themselves in the end. Look what happens in Gaza.

    Cukurungan :

    In Gaza there’s power struggle between two warring faction, this kind thing is happened anywhere in this world’s and not because of shariat.

    Arab Gulf state like Qatar, Abudhabi and kuwait applied shariat law and those syariat law application doesn’t deter anyone come there. Even now, in Dubai becomes dreams city for anyone not ony for moslem. I suggested before you made any conclusion please study it carefully otherwise it will embarrassed yourself.

  29. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Cukurungan said

    In Gaza there’s power struggle between two warring faction, this kind thing is happened anywhere in this world’s and not because of shariat.

    Al Fatah wants a secular state, Hamas wants syariah. That is the basis of the conflict and why Hamas is killing its brothers in Gaza. Ask any Palestinian otherwise its you who will embarrass yourself. That Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Kuwait are doing well is because they have oil, not because of syariah.
    I simply suggested to stay away from places that are ruled by totalitarian and discriminating laws like syariah, like you told me to.

  30. avatar Cukurungan says:

    Dear dewaratugedeanom,

    Sorry if my word so complicated for you, let check again what I said “there is two warring faction strugle for power like anywhere in this world” and not because shariah. See how other war such as Nepal maoist Vs Nepal Kingdom and Columbia Communism vs Columbia government, all parties involved in those war didn’t bring any shariat matter but they are the same nature like what happenned in the Gaza that is the power struggle between two warring faction and not because of shariah. Is that clear sir.

    There is no question that Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Kuwait have oil but they also applied shariah law ( you said ” will triger isolation”) then why many foreigner include non moslem are willing go and stay in there. So your conclusion that shariah application in certain country will triger isolation of that country is the baseless conclusion.

    If I am not mistake you are balinese, out of this discussion I am so amazed with the golden heart and attitude inheretted by them wherever the balinese community settle they always live in harmony with other society.

    Regards,
    Amungme Son

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