Feminism and Islam

May 22nd, 2007, in Society, by

Feminism is not suitable for Indonesian women.

Eny Dwiningsih, a professor at the Islam State University in Jakarta (UIJ), said in a seminar called "Developing Intellectual Interest in Womens' Issues" at the North Sumatra University in Medan on 18th May that Islam rejected feminism.

Feminism was dangerous to Islam because it was infused with the spirit of secularism, opposed to sharia law, and based on false assumptions, she said.

The secularised capitalist nations of the world had for a long time been attempting to force feminism on Muslims, in the name of womens' freedom, and they suggested that personal freedom generally was the answer to many problems, and that Islam was the source of the Islamic world's backwardness.

Faithful Muslim women were confused today and had lost their self-confidence and belief in their special roles in the family and society, and this showed that the secular capitalists had partly succeeded in their mission: republika

This is the target of the movement, that is, to cause Muslims to lose faith in the ability of Islam to answer the problems that women face.


163 Comments on “Feminism and Islam”

  1. avatar Cukurungan says:

    Mas Achmad,

    Hi hi hi many thanks for saving me, I always have difficulties in dealing with a goods lady. I feel my hand is tightened and my mouth is sealed. Goods people always make me in the great difficulty.

    Regard,
    AMUNGME SON

  2. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Ono, what makes more sense than that is when I run you over and then reverse and go and reverse again.

    If you only last 30 seconds, you may think your wife is faithful, you may wanna check that.

  3. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Dear Ihaknt,

    Actually, it’s wive-s. Plural. Wives.

    What’s better – 30 seconds of pure testosterone-filled delight, and a taste of heaven in the arms of Achmad — or 15 minutes of staring at the ceiling bored with someone who’s name rhymes with “I can,’t”, Ihaknt?

    I know what I prefer — even if it is with myself. Anyway – what’s wrong with that? You’re doing it in print every time you put finger to what-must-be-a-sticky keyboard.

    But thank you for the good wishes. It’s not every day I can succeed in having someone say he or she wanted to run me over.

    Take care with the problem, I can’t. There are a range of remedies in the pages of quality publications like Lampu Merah, such as “Oli Arab,” and “Ma Erot.”

  4. avatar Julita says:

    Can you elaborate a little bit on your halal way?

  5. avatar Parvita says:

    This is getting way out of context and a bit disgusting. I hope the moderator will do something about this. It’s sad to see IM facilitate low level discussion like this.

  6. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Ibu Parvita,

    At least it’s only a bit disgusting.

    But if you want, why don’t we talk about something really interesting like regulators or air-tank pressure.

    Once we’ve got warmed up we can talk about sedimentary basin and source rock analysis. Word on the street is that geologists are really just the jongos of engineers and geophysicists these days. Besides — how hard can it be to tap a few rocks with a hammer ?

  7. avatar Julita says:

    First of all, a perfect example of feminism & Islam:

    The life of Aishah is proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Her life is also proof that the same woman can be totally feminine and be a source of pleasure, joy and comfort to her husband.
    _____________
    Book of Genesis:
    That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united with his wife, and the two will become one.
    Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19.5; Mark 10. 7-8; 1 Corinthians 6.16; Ephesians 5.31.

    So God created human beings, making them male and female, blessed them, and said,”Have many children, so that your descendants will live all over the earth and bring it their control”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦.”
    Gen. 1 26 Wisdom 2.23; Co 11.7

    For the above purpose, the Lord created one Eve for Adam. The Lord could have easily made several Eva’s to accelerate His intention, but the Almighty knows better of what He was doing, He was not dealing with the animals or plants but human beings.
    ___________________
    In regard to halal having four wives:

    The following is a reprint from appendix 30 from Dr. Khalifa’s translation of the Quran.

    The Quran emphasizes the limitations against polygamy in very strong words:

    “If you fear lest you may not be perfectly equitable in
    treating more than one wife, then you shall be content with one.” (4:3)
    “You cannot be equitable in a polygamous relationship, no matter how hard you try.” (4:129)

    The Quranic limitations against polygamy point out the possibility of abusing God’s law. Therefore, unless we are absolutely sure that God’s law will not be abused, we had better resist our lust and stay away from polygamy. Basic criteria must be observed in contemplating polygamy:

    1. It must alleviate pain and suffering and not cause any pain or suffering.
    2. If you have a young family, it is almost certain that polygamy is an abuse.
    3. Polygamy to substitute a younger wife is an abuse of God’s law (4:19).

    Of the Prophet’s wives in Madinah, it was clear that it was Aishah that he loved most.
    As she loved the Prophet so was her love a jealous love and she could not bear the thought that the Prophet’s attentions should be given to others more than seemed enough to her.
    “I was not, jealous of any other wife of the Prophet as I was jealous of Khadijah,

    Once, when Aishah complained and asked why he spoke so highly of “an old Quraysh woman”, the Prophet was hurt and said: “She was the wife who believed in me when others rejected me. When people gave me the lie, she affirmed my truthfulness. When I stood forsaken, she spent her wealth to lighten the burden of my sorrow..”

    Once the Prophet stayed away from his wives for a month because they had distressed him by asking of him that which he did not have.

    Revelation: “O Prophet! Say to your wives: If you desire the life of this world and its adornments, then come and I will bestow its goods upon you, and I will release you with a fair release. But if you desire God and His Messenger and the abode of the Hereafter, then verily God has laid in store for you an immense reward for such as you who do good.” __________________________

    The above situation is understandable for both sides, almost an instinct that a wife would be jealous if the husband’s attention is on somebody else. On the other hand, Khadija was important, no doubt about it. So, if the Holy Prophet and the most Holy woman had their own struggle, do we, lay people think we can do better. Would we be as wise as they were?
    So people, be warned from the Qur’an “Any abuse of this divine permission incurs severe retribution.”

  8. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Julita,

    Your references are quite correct, but the believers in Polygamy don’t use God’s words for their guidance, they follow their own set of rules, you are wasting your time to point this out to them, they will just justify their actions from the corrupted Sunnah and Hadith, and are blinded and deaf to the words of God.

    Peace

  9. avatar Julita says:

    Thank you M. Khafi for pitching in, if my posting makes one person realize or think twice it is worth it. Preventing heart-ache for my fellow being.

  10. avatar Cukurungan says:

    Dear JULITA,

    In principal I agree with you that God permission to poligamy should be adopted properly. But a man decision toward poligamy should be considered as a personal matters and not subject to public review or opinion. Because the man himself would face God trials if he abuse this divine permission.

    However because strong noise from the feminism, at present time the poligamy issue appeared much bigger issue than the adultery issue as you know that the most women behind feminism would say that the adultery is a personal areas while in our beliefs the adultery is strongly prohibited.

    Regard,
    Amungme Son

  11. avatar Stu says:

    Islam is bullshit, so is any ideology based on the existence of a superior being……god….or whatever……..why…….because it is just not true. But, and here is the but…….feminism is bullshit too. You can pick a subject…….take family law…….look at how feminism has bent things to their benefit. Here in oz…..family law is a joke. I was dating a woman for three years…..not exclusively……we both seen others occassionally. I did propose to her……..she did not want to get married…….ever……she said………I proposed living together………no way…..same thing she said. She demanded full and absolute financial, sexual, independence. Ok, I respected that, and we continued seeing each other. That was until she got a great job offer which required her to mover interstate…….over 3000klms away. So we didn’t see each other anymore. Now she is taking me to court for half my super, my house………all of my assets. The law here deems that if we have had a “relationship” more then 2 years…….then she is entitled to it. So……western civilisation deems that women are entitled to financial independence…….total sexual freedom……etc etc…….and even when rejecting my invitation for a serious full commitment……….she can still say that she has been committed to me……..thus entitled to my property that she contributed absolutely nothing towards. She has even had her sexual freedom and used it…….having sex with whoever she wants and has dated at least 4 other men now and then during the course of our relationship………none of this matters at all. Now before you hang shit on Islam for it’s treatment of women…….I suggest to you that western civilisation is turning men into nothing but slaves to women providing them with all of lifes needs and wants for nothing in return. In fact……..most relationships are now just a burden on men and result in them having less then they would have financially then what they would have if they had never got into them at all…….then add to that…….the women can get most of what you have as well…….and then make you continue to pay and contribute to her needs and wants even after your death……..ripping the people off in your will and claiming even more assets then any children you may have are entitled too.

    Isam is bullshit………but not as much bullshit as feminism……..and I know which layer of bullshit I’d rather have………Islam………at least it treats women better then feminism treats men.

    Muslims in western countries should appeal to the men suffering the injustices of the feminist machine via custody cases, property settlements…….false allegations by women e.g domestic voilence………unfair child support……..alimony…….men have to wake up or else they will be the ones being stoned to death.

    Muslims……..stop asking for special and seperat laws for only muslims……..and start pushing for the eradication of feminist family laws and offer to return men to being totally in control of “their” property and income………..within marriage and within divorce…….offer to make women stand on their own two feet and not rely on men for anything if they don’t want to make a real committment……..or if they want to end that committment……..allow men to divorce without losing property that they paid for……and is in their name……..make women earn and pay for property if they want to own it in their own right……..scrap all laws that allow women to gain legal ownership of property owned and paid for by a man.

    If you do these things……..you get support from a hell of a lot of western men……and the numbers will increase every year as the feminist machine creates more male victims……..in the end……you will be able to overthrow the feminists and take away all their power.

    There is a very good reason why women are still claiming gender based rights to mens property and incomes………..the fact is…….they are not equal…..and they seek to get what they want from men without giving men what they want from women………..and without giving society what it requires from women in order to continue to exist.

  12. avatar ET says:

    @Stu

    Sad story, but I don’t understand why you didn’t dump the bitch in the first place when she demanded full and absolute financial and sexual independence. Seems to me you asked for it by giving in unconditionally to unreasonable terms.

    Isam is bullshit………but not as much bullshit as feminism……..and I know which layer of bullshit I’d rather have………Islam………at least it treats women better then feminism treats men.

    If you do these things……..you get support from a hell of a lot of western men……and the numbers will increase every year as the feminist machine creates more male victims……..in the end……you will be able to overthrow the feminists and take away all their power.

    No need to turn to Islam for salvation from feminism. You will only be trading one submission for another. My advice on how to deal with feminists is don’t get involved. Indifference is the biggest power and something they can’t cope with.

    Merdeka!

  13. avatar Astrajingga says:

    most relationships are now just a burden on men and result in them having less then they would have financially then what they would have if they had never got into them at all…….then add to that…….the women can get most of what you have as well…….and then make you continue to pay and contribute to her needs and wants even after your death……..ripping the people off in your will and claiming even more assets then any children you may have are entitled too.

    Sad story Stu. I think man, a superior type of human being; compared to woman, has always the solution to ‘feminism bullshit’ since the dawn of mankind.

    The same answer that actually could save human being–Adam–from God wrath, and won’t create such misery for all Adam’s children, being stranded in this planet earth.

    Stu, meet Five Finger Marry.

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