Open Thread

Feb 25th, 2011, in Asides, by

545 Comments on “Open Thread”

  1. avatar Stevo says:

    Does anyone have an especially good Sambal recipe, they may wish to share?

    ( Check with wife before giving away family secrets gentlemen 😉 )

  2. avatar ET says:


    Brilliant stuff but what was ET thinking?…..

    I can’t see what feminazi heifers have to do with it but the upsurge in onani is quite understandable since the Kuta Cowboys are out of work due to the ban on Australian cows.

  3. avatar deta says:

    Silly me, I thought the ban on imported cows was more likely to have an impact on the decreasing number of sexual refugees who seek asylum from indo girls…… well, I was wrong.

  4. avatar Lairedion says:

    Still a long the way to go in this country run by bigots:

    Penyerang Ahmadiyah Cikeusik Divonis 3 Bulan

  5. avatar timdog says:

    This is why I don’t really want to unplug the internet – 2 Tahun Nikah, Ternyata Suamiku Perempuan… Lordy!

  6. avatar Lairedion says:

    This is why I don’t want to live in Indonesia as it has apparently taken over the average Middle Eastern country by arresting non-fasting civil servants, including one non-Muslim.

    Bengkulu Police Arrest 4 Civil Servants Found Not Fasting

  7. avatar ET says:

    Standard & Poor has downgraded the US credit rating from AAA to AA-plus for the first time. Is anyone surprised?


    Federal Budget: $3,820,000,000,000 (3.82 Trillion)
    Income: $2,170,000,000,000 (2.17 Trillion)
    New Debt: $1,650,000,000,000 (1.65 Trillion)
    Amount Cut: $38,500,000,000 (38.5 Billion) – about 1% of the total budget.

    Let’s put this in perspective and remove nine zeroes from each of those numbers and pretend this is a monthly household budget for the fictitious “Jones” family.

    Amount of money the “Jones” family spent this month: $3,820
    Total income for the “Jones” family this month: $2,170
    Amount of new debt added to the credit card this month: $1,650
    Outstanding balance on the credit card: $14,271 (This represents the US national debt).

    So last week, the “Jones” family sat down at the kitchen table and agreed to cut $38 from their monthly budget. A historic amount!
    Are you impressed? Not me, but I was impressed by this intervention of Senator Marco Rubio from Florida. Check out this link and watch until the end.

    There may be still hope for the Republicans. This guy is presidential stuff.

  8. avatar stevo says:


    Yes he certainly is presidential stuff.

    Now lets see him be labeled a crazy/racist/extremist/loony/Tea Partier by IM’s marxist shrills 😉

    Unfortunately Obama voters are not big thinkers and will simply vote the way the media tells them to.

    Obama’s profile is very polished and he is hard not to like when you hear him speaking.

    If the voters consider his actions, rather than his words, he will not get back into office. That may be a difficult concept for many Obama supporters to grasp.

    We live in interesting times.

  9. avatar ET says:

    Obama’s profile is very polished and he is hard not to like when you hear him speaking.

    A sad and silly trait of Western culture. Form comes before content. The prerogative of the pretty.

  10. avatar stevo says:

    I looked at some of the other video of him and read a bit.

    He has the form & presence to take on Obama. It also helps that he is from a humble background and his parents were exiled from Cuba. Being a god botherer will also work in his favor.

    He puts his points across clearly and makes allot of sense. This is him on the credit crisis:

  11. avatar Oigal says:

    Interesting, I guess I am the token Marxist then, thats really funny but never mind. :-).

    Of course, we haven’t mentioned the fact that the tea party loons ensured that non of the idiotic tax concessions and loopholes paid to the mega rich and vested interests were even considered to be closed. If you think the fuel subsidy in Indonesia is insane then a quick view of some of the lurks in the USA are jaw dropping.

    As a matter of interest, I do not think BO is that much a President but sheer lack of credible alternatives virtually ensures his second coming 😉

  12. avatar Oigal says:

    Oh speaking of lacking substance, you may wish to check out what that world famous rag of the Marxist hordes, The Economist has to say about Rubio, apparently like most of the tea party has some basic problems with numerical literacy. Big on outrage, light on numbers.

  13. avatar Lairedion says:

    We live in interesting times.

    Indeed. Never imagined I would witness the collapse of the world’s most powerful nation in my lifetime.

  14. avatar Oigal says:

    Bit of an overkill L, a lot was self inflicted not that other Nations have not been down graded before, Australia, Japan, Canada for instance for little lasting effect.

    Big shake up for those who make lots of noise but little in the way of coherent policy tho.

  15. avatar stevo says:

    America is in this position because it spent way more than it earned, or could ever pay back. Its not all government debt and includes huge overspending by the public, largely by grossly over inflated house prices and consumer debt.

    It is entirely self inflicted, but many other countries are in that position also, just not to the same degree. The Greeks, for one example, have mismanaged their economy to a degree that is hilarious.

    I can not see how America can come back from this in the foreseeable future and I fear far worse is to come. This will impact us all, regardless of where we live. The collapse of the worlds reserve currency will be no joke.

    I think the uncertainty of -what next- is helping America at this point. Its too big to fail.

    I bet the Chinese have a few plans though…

    It wont be the end of the world and some of the poorer countries may not be impacted as much. People living at an agricultural subsistence level may do ok. That would be nice for a change. They are not so concerned about the affordability of flat screen televisions, showy houses and SUVs.

  16. avatar Oigal says:

    In fact, its about 99% of GDP lower than many developed nations including Japan and not anywhere to the stage it could not be paid back. The risk does remain that the tea party mob will keep running block campaigns and stopping a balanced approach of both spending cuts, investment and closing the tax loop holes for the rich. Never the less hardly the end of the world as we know it, not even close.

    China as a major debt holder is unlikely to want to see the USD replaced as global currency and besides what would replace it..the Euro?

    You might want to try some of the more reputable news sources to get a more accurate picture. The issue is a bit more complex than what can be covered in a five minute fox report hosted by Homer Hannity.

  17. avatar stevo says:

    Like I said, many other countries are in the same boat.

    The fact that others are in trouble, or worse off, does not help America. How does it assist America if a major trading partner, like Japan, is also broke?

    Has your “reputable news source” told you that ?

    This is the sort of economic theory that made Romania the success it is today.

    Perhaps you can let your mate Obama know just how they can pay it back Oigal. He has no idea and nor does anyone else. Maybe he is just watching Fox too much.

    I guess you will be crying out for Rubio’s long form birth certificate some time soon? 😉

  18. avatar Oigal says:

    Lol.. No you said there is no way that USA could ever pay the debt off, which is abject nonsense. In fact, whilst high USA debt levels are not extraordinary. S&P themselves mention the disappointment in the political process (and let’s not over look the degenerate part the tea party has played in all this) rather than debt level the reason for their assessment. You really should stick to the football forums, you embarrass yourself otherwise. As for Japan, actually I assume by sheer luck or the thousand monkey theory you are close, except it’s the worry China has and one of the reasons why the USD will remain the reserve currency for the foreseeable future.

    As for birth certificates isn’t that the intellectual territory of your white nationalists. Speaking of Rubio, I see you still have not done even the most basic research on the guy, for your own credibility check it out. Seriously the guy is a lightweight, the search goes on …

  19. avatar stevo says:

    Maybe Rubio is all show and no go, but that worked out well for Obama, didn’t it?. I had never heard of him until ET posted that link.

    “MY” white nationalists, now that is funny. There could be a few ummmmm technical problems with my membership, which is why I rely so heavily on your commentary.

  20. avatar Oigal says:

    Woohoo! At last.. ! You are of course correct. BO has by any standards left or right been a disappointment. His greatest and at this time unchallenged advantage is the sheer inability of the other side to throw up any credible challenger. That coupled with the tea party loons whilst appealing to the the small (in delivering a president terms) but noisy loony cons has successfully driven centre right swinging republicans into the dem camp.

  21. avatar stevo says:

    The people who stand for office are a product of their society. Its what the Yanks seem to go for.

    Like most of us, we get the leaders we deserve.

  22. avatar ET says:


    Lol.. No you said there is no way that USA could ever pay the debt off, which is abject nonsense.

    Nonsense indeed, they can always print more money. Alan Greenspan said this today but he could have been joking. Or not.

    As for Marco Rubio I admit I didn’t do an in-depth research. I only came across his speech from the link I gave and I thought it made a lot of sense, substantially and the way it was presented. The future will tell if he is the cream that will float to the top.

  23. avatar Arie Brand says:

    Is this a jaundiced view?

    In Jakarta:

    Public parks were taken away from the people by ‘developers’ whom built their private golf courses for the elites. Sidewalks had to go, too, as they were not profitable and ‘too social’. And the public transportation became private and eventually got reduced to polluting minivans and appalling second hand Indian Bajaj rickshaws that don’t run for decades even in India.

    That was of course the plan: car manufacturers were regurgitating old Japanese car models selling them at inflated prices (cars in Indonesia sell for 50 to 120 percent higher prices than in the United States), forcing the people of Indonesia – some of the poorest in East Asia – to buy their own private vehicles. Cars were the first to be injected, followed by dangerous, environmentally fatal and inefficient scooters that are actually banned in all major Chinese cities and in many other Asian ones.

    Government officials and People’s Representatives (DPR) have been having their palms greased by the car industry, quietly but consistently. Car lobby became extremely powerful, blocking all attempts to improve the rail and maritime travel between various ports in Java, the most overpopulated major island in the world.

    Read more:

  24. avatar Oigal says:

    Interesting and very bleak article Ari. Whilst dark and depressing it would be hard to mount a significant counter claim. It would be interesting to see the reaction if printed all of the nations papers, although I doubt the plaint sheep will awake just yet.

  25. avatar Chris says:

    BTW Oigal and Arie,

    This was the headline article in today’s Jakarta Post:

    Jakarta’s suburban commuters turn to rail

  26. avatar timdog says:

    Um… I think our man Andre is over-egging the pudding just a bit

    The conspiracy theory bit about the deliberate choking of the public transport as “part of the plan” is just nonsense. I had a look at the history of the becak a few years ago, which, interestingly, ties into the wider question of public transport in Indonesia’s major cities.
    It was the Japanese invasion of WWII which killed the established public transport networks – trams and decent buses – in the cities.
    As a consequence becaks, which had only appeared in the 1930s, and which the Dutch had frowned on because of their macet-causing potential, proliferated to fill the gap left by trams and buses…

    Obviously during the immediate aftermath of the war there were other distractions beyond putting back together a vanished public transport back together, and given the mismanagement of Sukarno’s years… well, I don’t need to go on… and obviously the informal public transport had already moved in to fill the gap.

    Indonesia’s – and especially Jakarta’s – glaring public transport deficit is something that it will have to address, if it’s growth continues. And as far as I’m concerned, if Delhi (which is corrupt and chaotic in manners that even Jakarta couldn’t aspire to) could manage to put together an excellent metro system, then there is absolutely no reason why Jakarta couldn’t…

    Anyway, the Andre fellow, as I said, over-egging the pudding just a bit.

  27. avatar Oigal says:

    No doubt TM and for such a piece ( yes I know pot this is kettle) he could have done a spell check. Never the less, the point I was trying to make its hard to dispute such conspiracy theories when faced with such inept development. I mean to those who don’t live here it’s understand why the people accept such performance from elected officials. It would also benice to see such over egged articles in the local press it might just embarrass some into action.

  28. avatar Oigal says:

    Oh and yea to be fairer than one should when discussing Jakarta, on a Macro level the rest on Indonesia got a nice write up in Ecomomist magazine this week (well mostly positive). Meanwhile on the lastest news, which major Indonesian miner had to evacuate all expats and senior officials this week as riots broke out at the mine and local town ( no not Freeport)? Nice little media lack out that one.

  29. avatar berlian biru says:

    OK firstly the thing you must know about Vltchek is that he is a communist.

    I know, here goes old BB off with his reds under the bed schtick, just cos some guy is left of Attila the Hun he’s a commie. But no, actually for the record Vltchek is a quite unashamed, self-determining communist, he states this fact with refreshing candour.

    He loathes Indonesia, utterly hates the place with a passion. He hates it more than any other fucked up third world country (is Jakarta any worse than Manila, Lagos, Mexico City or Dhaka? Isn’t it in many ways better?) because Indonesia had the effrontery to not fall to communism when it had the opportunity and instead chose another option. Note his absurdly inflated death tolls for the 1965 era, for those of you who disputed that such wild exaggerations exist when we debated the theme previously.

    For that reason today’s Indonesia carries the mark of Cain for Vltchek, he can never forgive the Indonesians for what they did in 1965 and therefore he has built an entire career in proving to the world that of all nations on planet earth it is Indonesia that is the most dreadful and uniquely awful.

    Look at his absurd hyperbole about what you see from the trains of Jakarta,

    You would probably spot exposed wounds, faces burned by fires, terrible hernias, untreated tumors and omnipresent swollen bellies of children suffering from malnutrition. And there would also be some ailments and deformities that are simply too terrible to describe or to photograph.


    There are beggars in Indonesia, as there are beggars in every large city in the world, many of them have terrible disfigurements but has anyone ever seen children in Jakarta with “swollen bellies … from malnutrition”, or “ailments and deformities that are simply too terrible to describe or to photograph”? I drive along the railway in Jakarta every day and I must have missed those.

    I’m not going to parse and analyse the rest of his overwrought and emotive prose to point out his wild exaggerations and downright falsehoods. There is a good critical analysis to be made of Jakarta’s transit system as there are about the infrastructure of most developing nations, this clown is not the man to make it.

    Vltchek’s nonsense can be safely filed under “L” for “load of oul’ pish”.

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