Indonesian Muslims, & Jews

Apr 6th, 2007, in IM Posts, Opinion, by Guest Writer

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Colson Says:
April 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Odinius: You didn’t mention two other groups. For instance (d) those who opposed the war because it was a breach of international law – without an explicit motion by the Security Council the attack on Iraq was illegal. And the other group ( e) consisting of those Dark Vaders who managed to grab the opportunity ( in the aftermath of 9/11) to create ( = “lied about” ) a non existent link between Saddam and Bin Laden for instance, in order to secure future control of oil in the Middle East.
mingo Says:
August 25th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
There is no occupation and domination moslem upon moslem.

The Iraq and Iran war, what would you call that (A lovers Tiff).
Tuan Says:
October 21st, 2007 at 11:38 am
A couple of things I want to say:

*I was born and raised in Unites States and my heritage is Indoensian and my faith is Islam. I found a kinship with Jews since elementary school when we were the targets of taunts from both students and teachers because we sat out for Christmas related events. I also have known Jewish Americans coming to the aid of the American Muslim community after 9-11 when there was quite a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment.

*Pan-Arabic? Um..no but maybe Pan-Islamic. There is a hadith that is often quoted by Muslim that says the Muslims are like one whole body. When one part of the body feels pain then the rest of the body feels it too. Muslims in the world have a stake in Jersueelm just as Christians and Jews do, because of the sacred mosque there. Muslims used to pray in direction of Jersuelem before Mecca became the “qibla”. In esscene Jerseulem is sacred to every Muslim including the ones in Indonesia.
emuh Says:
October 21st, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Insofar I know Muslims in Indonesia very hate Jewish people. Also some muslims hate Christian. Why I say this so? Because some muslims will not eat when they visit Christian people house. According to muslim, what christian people cook is haram. It offends some of my Christian friends who invite some muslims to their house during Christmas celebrations. Also some muslim due to their belief, will not say “Merry Christmas” to Christian people, however Christians in Indonesia never do so. For them is ok to say “Happy Iedul Fitri”. But I assume, Muslim will be more hatred, more racist, if there is Jewish people.
dewaratugedeanom Says:
October 21st, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Tuan said

Pan-Arabic? Um..no but maybe Pan-Islamic. There is a hadith that is often quoted by Muslim that says the Muslims are like one whole body. When one part of the body feels pain then the rest of the body feels it too.

This is very true. Even if they find a cancer in this body they don’t mind and even let it grow.
Dragonwall Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 6:48 am
It seems a bit strange to me too.

Not at all. Those are the munafiks who follow where the wind blows.

The current state of Indonesia is even worse than that before. Security, Economically. Religiously, Development etc. On the surface it looks okay but beneath it is brewing with political manouvers.

Take a look at those clerics, parlementarians and minister making statements were as though they were looking for an excuse or some sort.

Not surprising. When they can’t resolve a problem that was the easy way out.
Kopral Geddoe Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
People just need enemies these days. Of course, there’s quite a difficulty in maintaining your enemy’s antagonism when you observe the news objectively, but hey, religion taught us to view things perfectly subjectively, right?

Sorry for the excessive simplification, but really, I grew up in the good old Indonesian Muslim community and I can safely bet some good amount of my money on the assumption that these Islamists are so pro-Palestine in no other reason than them being Muslims. No sense of justice involved whatsoever.
John Says:
April 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Odinius,

The Israeli government has been trying for more than 10 years, with political and financial help from the USA, UN and EU, to get the Palestinians to the negotiating table to help establish an independent Palestinian State. All the Israeli’s ask for is security; an end to rocket attacks and suicide bombings. An independent Palestine would receive massive financial support from the West and the benefits it would see from participating in the Israeli economy would transform every Palestinians life.

What has stopped this happening? The activities of Islamacists and terrorists, and the opposition of Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. If the Israeli’s cease to be the enemy, who are these guys going to direct their hatred towards, but each other?

The enemies of the Palestinians are not the Jews, who want to live and prosper in peace, but their own leaders, who are corrupt and fanatical, and the rest of the Arab world who give them guns and lies. What happened to all the dollars given over the years by the West to Arafat and the PLA? Ask the Palestinians, they know!

The Palestinians are the world champions at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And how the rest of the Arab world and most of the Muslim world love them for it.
fandi Says:
December 25th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I am javanese but I have a lot of arab friends.
I know that the jews are many in indonesia..but most of them regarded as “arab” for generations. (not iraqi or dutch jews)
These jews are moslems for generations.
Most of them came from yemen and they lived as arab and moslems since long time ago.

You can find these “arab” jews in arab community in major city in java, they are living in there and some are not living in arab community, perhaps because they are moslem so it’s not a problem for them.
The strange one is they are rejected themself as jew, I don’t know why?? Perhaps they are afraid or something else?
Ida Setiyoso Says:
January 17th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Have you ever tried to find a thoughtful, analytical book on the Israel-Palestine conflict or Jews in Indonesia? It’s nearly impossible. The major bookstores (gramedia, walisono, etc.) have bookcases on Jewish and zionist conspiracies. So do the little stalls you find outside Ramayana at block M. You can find Hitler’s Mein Kamph translated into Bahasa Indonesia in even the smallest bookstores, but you cannot find an analytical book that shows both sides of the Israel-Palestine issue.

So even if an Indonesian wants to learn about Jews or Israel, it’s nearly impossible. They have to go to Singapore. Even Malaysia’s bookstores have a better selection. Among my Indonesian friends, the ones with MAs have the same blind hatred for Israel as the ones with only a high school education–this is both Muslims and Hindus.

I was so proud that one of my friends said that he was reading Haaretz and the Jerusalem post as well as Al Jazeera and Al Ahram to understand the current Gaza conflict. But he is the first young Indonesian Muslim I have ever heard of who really and genuinely sought to understand the roots of the conflict from both sides.

I think, if Indonesians are really going to understand the Israel-Palestine conflict or learn anything meaningful about Jews, the bookstores have to start stocking non-conspiracy books!
Rachel Muryanto Says:
January 17th, 2009 at 6:26 am
There is no occupation and domination moslem upon moslem.

Huh?
1) Iran vs. Iraq
2) North Yemen vs. South Yemen
3) Turkey vs. Kurds
4) Morocco vs. Western Sahara
5) Syria vs. Lebanon