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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a regular traveller and surfer in Bali and am very intrigued by your comments. I am especially impressed by you list of breadth of knowledge of the Island and literary achievments.
I agree with most of your comments regarding the state of the island but I cannot help but love it just as much as when I came 20 years ago as I do now. I love the fact that it is such a melting pot of so many cultures and has such a rich international flavour. For e&#039;g I find it hard to tolerate being caught in traffic in peak hour swallowing fumes to go 2 km but I love sipping a local beer of an evening at an amazing restaurant while my daughter is in the expert caring hands of a trusted local nanny.
My point, I am trying hard to begin business on the island in property but am, like yourself concerned about the state of the future of the island and especially the way the island plans for more tourism and development. I believe SouthWest Bali is losing its lustre for tourist wanting a more stress free holiday experience. I am in early concept stages of a villa resort for surfers on Bukit and would very much like to get your constructive opinion on the future of tourism development and here your thoughts . 
You hit the nail on the head with your comments. Very sad. Why is it that I still want to move there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a regular traveller and surfer in Bali and am very intrigued by your comments. I am especially impressed by you list of breadth of knowledge of the Island and literary achievments.<br />
I agree with most of your comments regarding the state of the island but I cannot help but love it just as much as when I came 20 years ago as I do now. I love the fact that it is such a melting pot of so many cultures and has such a rich international flavour. For e&#8217;g I find it hard to tolerate being caught in traffic in peak hour swallowing fumes to go 2 km but I love sipping a local beer of an evening at an amazing restaurant while my daughter is in the expert caring hands of a trusted local nanny.<br />
My point, I am trying hard to begin business on the island in property but am, like yourself concerned about the state of the future of the island and especially the way the island plans for more tourism and development. I believe SouthWest Bali is losing its lustre for tourist wanting a more stress free holiday experience. I am in early concept stages of a villa resort for surfers on Bukit and would very much like to get your constructive opinion on the future of tourism development and here your thoughts .<br />
You hit the nail on the head with your comments. Very sad. Why is it that I still want to move there?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XMAS VACATION 2008. Walk along the Kuta beach, thousands and I DO Mean thousands of dead fish, sea snakes and even Puffer Fish, sad but true. Water full of plastic bags and a plain lack of locals in the sea. Just a few surfers blind with excitement to pollution they will absorb.
I ventured in knee deep. Same night red rashes appear on my legs and itching. I spoke to a few local people who told me there may have been poison in the water from a river upstream. Not my field so I don&#039;t know. The sea was foul, the beaches full of wood and carrier bags and s#$%.
Call this paradise.
Give me a break. Indo corruption is to blame partially, the cops do nothing about endless traffic jams from the airport, parking is just mad with motorcycles blocking every where, cars double parked, there is trash abound and nobody gives a hoot, men just have the energy to shout &quot;transport!?&quot; half heartedly and they always are trying to get a non-meter price forom all tourists. Bloody shame on them, they deserve all they get. Useless prats.
When you arrive you pay for a visa on arrival, now up 50%,when you leave you have to pay too!!! What a bloody system for raking in the dosh. If RI is ever to survive itself, then it needs major reform and someone brave enough to make the decision that need to be made, not pissing about an doing nothing or spending on advertising, its just amazing that all the hotels where full this Christmas, maybe people want to be near dirty water, filthy beaches and give their cash to feed corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XMAS VACATION 2008. Walk along the Kuta beach, thousands and I DO Mean thousands of dead fish, sea snakes and even Puffer Fish, sad but true. Water full of plastic bags and a plain lack of locals in the sea. Just a few surfers blind with excitement to pollution they will absorb.<br />
I ventured in knee deep. Same night red rashes appear on my legs and itching. I spoke to a few local people who told me there may have been poison in the water from a river upstream. Not my field so I don&#8217;t know. The sea was foul, the beaches full of wood and carrier bags and s#$%.<br />
Call this paradise.<br />
Give me a break. Indo corruption is to blame partially, the cops do nothing about endless traffic jams from the airport, parking is just mad with motorcycles blocking every where, cars double parked, there is trash abound and nobody gives a hoot, men just have the energy to shout &#8220;transport!?&#8221; half heartedly and they always are trying to get a non-meter price forom all tourists. Bloody shame on them, they deserve all they get. Useless prats.<br />
When you arrive you pay for a visa on arrival, now up 50%,when you leave you have to pay too!!! What a bloody system for raking in the dosh. If RI is ever to survive itself, then it needs major reform and someone brave enough to make the decision that need to be made, not pissing about an doing nothing or spending on advertising, its just amazing that all the hotels where full this Christmas, maybe people want to be near dirty water, filthy beaches and give their cash to feed corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Aluang Anak Bayang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aluang Anak Bayang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamualaikum Pak mingo, police usually target Chinese families.  Your wife&#039;s families are not Muslim as you claimed, because the local masjid iman will give the police a dressing down.  There goes your cover.  Not that I care but I believe honesty to be the best policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamualaikum Pak mingo, police usually target Chinese families.  Your wife&#8217;s families are not Muslim as you claimed, because the local masjid iman will give the police a dressing down.  There goes your cover.  Not that I care but I believe honesty to be the best policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Susi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Wayne.</description>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bali is not the only destination in Indonesia that faces this problem, Have a look at many of the major population centres and you will see the same problem cropping up, As far as the polution, empty shopfronts,overcrowding etc etc this plague effects vast areas, I may get some very unwelcome posts from this next comment but since Suharto was ousted Indonesia has been slowly sliding, Before ( In the Suharto era ) Indonesia was a safe vibrant country, Albeit there was still corruption and extortion, However this was not as noticable to tourists and visistors as it is today ( Two police walked into my inlaws house when myself and my wife were visiting and carted away my father in law, the reason was an extortion attempt to get money for his safe return, He was carted away because he never informed the police that myself, ( Expat ) and my wife were in the area) That has never happened before in 14 years, Yes sad to say Indonesia is in decline in every sense of the word, It is going to take alot of hard work by the people ( not politicians, they are only feathering their own nests ) to pull the country out of the mire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bali is not the only destination in Indonesia that faces this problem, Have a look at many of the major population centres and you will see the same problem cropping up, As far as the polution, empty shopfronts,overcrowding etc etc this plague effects vast areas, I may get some very unwelcome posts from this next comment but since Suharto was ousted Indonesia has been slowly sliding, Before ( In the Suharto era ) Indonesia was a safe vibrant country, Albeit there was still corruption and extortion, However this was not as noticable to tourists and visistors as it is today ( Two police walked into my inlaws house when myself and my wife were visiting and carted away my father in law, the reason was an extortion attempt to get money for his safe return, He was carted away because he never informed the police that myself, ( Expat ) and my wife were in the area) That has never happened before in 14 years, Yes sad to say Indonesia is in decline in every sense of the word, It is going to take alot of hard work by the people ( not politicians, they are only feathering their own nests ) to pull the country out of the mire</p>
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		<title>By: dewaratugedeanom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susi,
I hope these discussions could be carried on on a more specialised blog or website, cause the array of topics treated in Indonesia Matters is so vast and diverse that after a certain time interest fades and follow-up on interesting topics comes to a halt.
As to Bali, I am glad to have found in this thread people like you that to a great extent seem like-minded. I really love this place - be it also for personal reasons - and I feel very sorry that something as beautiful as it ever was is going down the drain. Beleive me or not, but the best time I had in Bali - I know it sounds cruel - was end of 2002 beginning of 2003, right after the first bombings. Bali was Bali again. No more pub-crawling Aussies, no more gigolo&#039;s trying to have a go at stupid and ugly sheila&#039;s, no more &#039;transpot&#039; on the streetside, no more hassle, just peace and quiet, the Balinese trying to come to terms with the events but at the same time going on with their &#039;upacara&#039; with even more fervor. Just like it was before the &#039;tourism industry&#039; syndrome. Nature seemed to be given a break with less pollution. Even the uglyness seemed less ugly for a while. And quiet oh so quiet... 
Also very interesting people took a stand in newspapers and publications, prominent Balinese personalities who were fully aware of the problems their habitat was faceing, and who now took the opportunity to come forward and speak up. I remember articles a.o. of the president of the &#039;Forum Merah Putih&#039; from Ubud, of Bali&#039;s most prominent psychiatrist and writer Luh Ketut Suryani and many others who stood up and pointed out the real problems. The sad thing is that with time their voices became dim, overwhelmed by the rhetorics and machinations of greed and power. When after some time tourists started creeping in again things soon went back to &#039;normal&#039;, the price of petrol going up a bit seeming of more concern than traffic jams and air pollution. Overbuilding and greed once more reigned supreme. And now it seems af we are back were we started and that no lessons at all were learned in the aftermath of these gruesome events. &lt;em&gt;Bali menjadi-jadi.&lt;/em&gt;
So I&#039;m really pleased that you launched your Wake-up Call for Bali, even if and especially because it goes against established interests. But it needs follow-up and I think that with your background and the connections that certainly come with it, it certainly is worth to  try to mobilise the brains and the goodwill of intelligent people everywhere. If a sustained and big enough (why not worldwide, globalisation might be good for something) effort can be put up and the pressure kept on, perhaps the tide can be turned. If not, one can at least withdraw saying &quot;we didn&#039;t give in without a fight&quot;. You can certainly count on my support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susi,<br />
I hope these discussions could be carried on on a more specialised blog or website, cause the array of topics treated in Indonesia Matters is so vast and diverse that after a certain time interest fades and follow-up on interesting topics comes to a halt.<br />
As to Bali, I am glad to have found in this thread people like you that to a great extent seem like-minded. I really love this place &#8211; be it also for personal reasons &#8211; and I feel very sorry that something as beautiful as it ever was is going down the drain. Beleive me or not, but the best time I had in Bali &#8211; I know it sounds cruel &#8211; was end of 2002 beginning of 2003, right after the first bombings. Bali was Bali again. No more pub-crawling Aussies, no more gigolo&#8217;s trying to have a go at stupid and ugly sheila&#8217;s, no more &#8216;transpot&#8217; on the streetside, no more hassle, just peace and quiet, the Balinese trying to come to terms with the events but at the same time going on with their &#8216;upacara&#8217; with even more fervor. Just like it was before the &#8216;tourism industry&#8217; syndrome. Nature seemed to be given a break with less pollution. Even the uglyness seemed less ugly for a while. And quiet oh so quiet&#8230;<br />
Also very interesting people took a stand in newspapers and publications, prominent Balinese personalities who were fully aware of the problems their habitat was faceing, and who now took the opportunity to come forward and speak up. I remember articles a.o. of the president of the &#8216;Forum Merah Putih&#8217; from Ubud, of Bali&#8217;s most prominent psychiatrist and writer Luh Ketut Suryani and many others who stood up and pointed out the real problems. The sad thing is that with time their voices became dim, overwhelmed by the rhetorics and machinations of greed and power. When after some time tourists started creeping in again things soon went back to &#8216;normal&#8217;, the price of petrol going up a bit seeming of more concern than traffic jams and air pollution. Overbuilding and greed once more reigned supreme. And now it seems af we are back were we started and that no lessons at all were learned in the aftermath of these gruesome events. <em>Bali menjadi-jadi.</em><br />
So I&#8217;m really pleased that you launched your Wake-up Call for Bali, even if and especially because it goes against established interests. But it needs follow-up and I think that with your background and the connections that certainly come with it, it certainly is worth to  try to mobilise the brains and the goodwill of intelligent people everywhere. If a sustained and big enough (why not worldwide, globalisation might be good for something) effort can be put up and the pressure kept on, perhaps the tide can be turned. If not, one can at least withdraw saying &#8220;we didn&#8217;t give in without a fight&#8221;. You can certainly count on my support.</p>
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		<title>By: Susi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received an email today outside the blog, from someone I will call &quot;X&quot;, as follows:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear Bule Tulus

I think that this is mainly for Balinese people to take care of and not for the &quot;tamu&quot; guests.

I think that people here and everywhere else are motivated by greed and that they will start caring when they are convinced that by spending a bit on preserving nature they will benefit ultimately by attracting more tourist and investment.
Another point you have not made is that the Balinese are selling their lands to outsiders to pay the bills (a lot of this goes into ceremonies) and that their children might find themselves strangers in their own (devastated) land soon.

Regards. &quot;X&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

My response:

Hi, &quot;X&quot;,

You wrote:



&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that this is mainly for Balinese people to take care of and not for the &quot;tamu&quot; guests.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Yes. Point taken, to some extent. 

When &quot;tamu&quot; get involved in efforts and organizations to manage, control or &quot;help&quot; Bali, it often goes sideways somehow, and almost always strikes some very dissonant chords.  

A very small scale example is the tempest that blew up when a small &quot;do-good&quot; organization of bules did things like holding barbecues for a number of Indonesians who lost family members in the first bombings.  Very interesting points were raised about the appropriateness (or inappropriateness) of both their efforts, and the views implied by them.

A very large scale example is the effect of World Bank loans used (or rather abused) for the Bali Urban Infrastructure Project!  Again, &quot;tamu&quot; but from a greater distance, made a bit of a muddle of things, and certainly upset a lot of people, and wasted a great deal of money.

You wrote:



&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that people here and everywhere else are motivated by greed and that they will start caring when they are convinced that by spending a bit on preserving nature they will benefit ultimately by attracting more tourist and investment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



And absolutely, you are right again!  People are motivated by greed.  But &quot;greed&quot; is perhaps too pejorative a term.  Let&#039;s state it more objectively and accurately. People are motivated by self-interest, which is very normal, and includes basic desires for things like self-preservation, comfort, and the respect (and love) of other people.  Excessive self-interest is greed.  I don&#039;t think this characterizes most people.  Some, but not most, and certainly not all.  If you disagree with me on this, perhaps you should find some new friends or move into a new social milieu!  ;-)

And yes, again, it makes sense to assume that people will start to take better care of their assets when they realize that to do otherwise would be self-defeating, and would go against their own self-interest (or greed).  If people are to come to that realization usually requires time, compelling evidence, information and quite a bit of discourse.  This is exactly why I chose to speak up, and have also spoken up in Indonesian-language media.  To do otherwise would be careless.

Certainly, &quot;tamu,&quot; tourists and others should participate in this discourse if they have something of relevance to contribute to it.  We are civilised people, after all, living in society with one another.  Tamu are undeniably part of Bali&#039;s diverse society, whether they want to be or not.  Within its actual, and broadest scope, the diverse society of Bali contains many subsets, one of which is the Indonesians who are &quot;Suku Bali&quot;, born in Bali, living in Bali, and are Balinese Hindus.  This subset, which is still the largest one, is rightly regarded as having a very special position among all subsets of society in Bali, due to its indigenousness, primacy, and central role in creating and sustaining the particular &quot;Bali-ness&quot; on which the fame and fortunes of this island are founded.

So, this is quite a story, after all.

What we see is this particular subset (the largest one, the one which &quot;owns&quot; the &quot;Bali-ness&quot; that has been the backbone of development here all along), being in a very difficult position indeed.

They are the ones who &quot;make and do&quot; the &quot;Bali-ness&quot; of Bali.  Which is what &quot;sells&quot; the whole island.  And everyone profits from it, even those who have no hand in &quot;making and doing&quot; the &quot;Balin-ness&quot; they profit from.

Something seems slightly unfair here, already.  Then to toss the burden of working out the problems of over-development back onto the Balinese (meaning: &quot;Suku Bali&quot;, born in Bali, living in Bali, who are Balinese Hindus), is perhaps a bit much.  

You wrote:



&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that this is mainly for Balinese people to take care of and not for the &quot;tamu&quot; guests.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm.  So we throw that all in the lap of this (majority) subset of the island&#039;s society?  With what reasoning?  The following perhaps?:

- &lt;em&gt;They&lt;/em&gt; made all the stuff that made the island famous.  (&quot;Bali-ness&quot;)
- Therefore &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; are responsible for cleaning up all the mess that people from all over the world (including them), have made by clamouring pell mell to get their piece of it.
- &lt;em&gt;And&lt;/em&gt; to keep &quot;making and doing&quot; the &quot;Bali-ness&quot; that Bali&#039;s success is founded on (ceremonies, traditional dress, hospitable behaviour, gracious manners, temples, traditional music, traditional dance, and so forth).

This doesn&#039;t sound quite right somehow.  If I were part of the majority subset of the society of the Island of Bali, I would be feeling very confused and very stressed at this moment.

Wouldn&#039;t you?

Cheers,

Susi


P.S.  About selling land (your last point).   You wrote:


&lt;blockquote&gt;Another point you have not made is that the Balinese are selling their lands to outsiders to pay the bills (a lot of this goes into ceremonies) and that their children might find themselves strangers in their own (devastated) land soon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


People everywhere tend to make facile arguments surrounding this issue.  Rather than go into that labyrinth right now, perhaps we can just look at some places in the world that have dealt rather more intelligently with their own success, and desirability as real etate, than Bali has so far.  Take the most desirable areas of Morocco.  The laws there (enforced rather consistently), allow foreigners to buy land, but no &lt;strong&gt;less&lt;/strong&gt; than one hectare, and they may make only &lt;strong&gt;one&lt;/strong&gt; residence per hectare of land. Development there is smaller in &lt;strong&gt;quantity&lt;/strong&gt;, but greater in &lt;strong&gt;quality&lt;/strong&gt;. The impacts on pre-existing local societies are less abrupt, and the inputs to their economy are greater. The impacts on the environment are far less. The calibre of people able to meet these requirements are proving to be beneficial to the quality of life for the areas as a whole, rather than the opposite. This is by no means the only place that has managed an &quot;over-desirability problem&quot; in this way.  Similar systems are also working in the San Juan Islands (Washington State, USA), certain islands in the Caribbean, and elsewhere.  The values of real estate in &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; sectors in these areas go up, the quality of life, and the beauty of these places increases, rather than decreases.  The vision of an &quot;elite,&quot; &quot;luxury&quot; future is sustainable, not self-destroying.  I believe there are other solutions as well to the problems of an area that is highly desirable to outsiders.  No reason why some efforts in these directions can&#039;t begin (or begin to be enforced) in Bali.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received an email today outside the blog, from someone I will call &#8220;X&#8221;, as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Bule Tulus</p>
<p>I think that this is mainly for Balinese people to take care of and not for the &#8220;tamu&#8221; guests.</p>
<p>I think that people here and everywhere else are motivated by greed and that they will start caring when they are convinced that by spending a bit on preserving nature they will benefit ultimately by attracting more tourist and investment.<br />
Another point you have not made is that the Balinese are selling their lands to outsiders to pay the bills (a lot of this goes into ceremonies) and that their children might find themselves strangers in their own (devastated) land soon.</p>
<p>Regards. &#8220;X&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>My response:</p>
<p>Hi, &#8220;X&#8221;,</p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that this is mainly for Balinese people to take care of and not for the &#8220;tamu&#8221; guests.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. Point taken, to some extent. </p>
<p>When &#8220;tamu&#8221; get involved in efforts and organizations to manage, control or &#8220;help&#8221; Bali, it often goes sideways somehow, and almost always strikes some very dissonant chords.  </p>
<p>A very small scale example is the tempest that blew up when a small &#8220;do-good&#8221; organization of bules did things like holding barbecues for a number of Indonesians who lost family members in the first bombings.  Very interesting points were raised about the appropriateness (or inappropriateness) of both their efforts, and the views implied by them.</p>
<p>A very large scale example is the effect of World Bank loans used (or rather abused) for the Bali Urban Infrastructure Project!  Again, &#8220;tamu&#8221; but from a greater distance, made a bit of a muddle of things, and certainly upset a lot of people, and wasted a great deal of money.</p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that people here and everywhere else are motivated by greed and that they will start caring when they are convinced that by spending a bit on preserving nature they will benefit ultimately by attracting more tourist and investment.</p></blockquote>
<p>And absolutely, you are right again!  People are motivated by greed.  But &#8220;greed&#8221; is perhaps too pejorative a term.  Let&#8217;s state it more objectively and accurately. People are motivated by self-interest, which is very normal, and includes basic desires for things like self-preservation, comfort, and the respect (and love) of other people.  Excessive self-interest is greed.  I don&#8217;t think this characterizes most people.  Some, but not most, and certainly not all.  If you disagree with me on this, perhaps you should find some new friends or move into a new social milieu!  <img src='http://www.indonesiamatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And yes, again, it makes sense to assume that people will start to take better care of their assets when they realize that to do otherwise would be self-defeating, and would go against their own self-interest (or greed).  If people are to come to that realization usually requires time, compelling evidence, information and quite a bit of discourse.  This is exactly why I chose to speak up, and have also spoken up in Indonesian-language media.  To do otherwise would be careless.</p>
<p>Certainly, &#8220;tamu,&#8221; tourists and others should participate in this discourse if they have something of relevance to contribute to it.  We are civilised people, after all, living in society with one another.  Tamu are undeniably part of Bali&#8217;s diverse society, whether they want to be or not.  Within its actual, and broadest scope, the diverse society of Bali contains many subsets, one of which is the Indonesians who are &#8220;Suku Bali&#8221;, born in Bali, living in Bali, and are Balinese Hindus.  This subset, which is still the largest one, is rightly regarded as having a very special position among all subsets of society in Bali, due to its indigenousness, primacy, and central role in creating and sustaining the particular &#8220;Bali-ness&#8221; on which the fame and fortunes of this island are founded.</p>
<p>So, this is quite a story, after all.</p>
<p>What we see is this particular subset (the largest one, the one which &#8220;owns&#8221; the &#8220;Bali-ness&#8221; that has been the backbone of development here all along), being in a very difficult position indeed.</p>
<p>They are the ones who &#8220;make and do&#8221; the &#8220;Bali-ness&#8221; of Bali.  Which is what &#8220;sells&#8221; the whole island.  And everyone profits from it, even those who have no hand in &#8220;making and doing&#8221; the &#8220;Balin-ness&#8221; they profit from.</p>
<p>Something seems slightly unfair here, already.  Then to toss the burden of working out the problems of over-development back onto the Balinese (meaning: &#8220;Suku Bali&#8221;, born in Bali, living in Bali, who are Balinese Hindus), is perhaps a bit much.  </p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that this is mainly for Balinese people to take care of and not for the &#8220;tamu&#8221; guests.</p>
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<p>Hmm.  So we throw that all in the lap of this (majority) subset of the island&#8217;s society?  With what reasoning?  The following perhaps?:</p>
<p>- <em>They</em> made all the stuff that made the island famous.  (&#8220;Bali-ness&#8221;)<br />
- Therefore <em>they</em> are responsible for cleaning up all the mess that people from all over the world (including them), have made by clamouring pell mell to get their piece of it.<br />
- <em>And</em> to keep &#8220;making and doing&#8221; the &#8220;Bali-ness&#8221; that Bali&#8217;s success is founded on (ceremonies, traditional dress, hospitable behaviour, gracious manners, temples, traditional music, traditional dance, and so forth).</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t sound quite right somehow.  If I were part of the majority subset of the society of the Island of Bali, I would be feeling very confused and very stressed at this moment.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Susi</p>
<p>P.S.  About selling land (your last point).   You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Another point you have not made is that the Balinese are selling their lands to outsiders to pay the bills (a lot of this goes into ceremonies) and that their children might find themselves strangers in their own (devastated) land soon.</p></blockquote>
<p>People everywhere tend to make facile arguments surrounding this issue.  Rather than go into that labyrinth right now, perhaps we can just look at some places in the world that have dealt rather more intelligently with their own success, and desirability as real etate, than Bali has so far.  Take the most desirable areas of Morocco.  The laws there (enforced rather consistently), allow foreigners to buy land, but no <strong>less</strong> than one hectare, and they may make only <strong>one</strong> residence per hectare of land. Development there is smaller in <strong>quantity</strong>, but greater in <strong>quality</strong>. The impacts on pre-existing local societies are less abrupt, and the inputs to their economy are greater. The impacts on the environment are far less. The calibre of people able to meet these requirements are proving to be beneficial to the quality of life for the areas as a whole, rather than the opposite. This is by no means the only place that has managed an &#8220;over-desirability problem&#8221; in this way.  Similar systems are also working in the San Juan Islands (Washington State, USA), certain islands in the Caribbean, and elsewhere.  The values of real estate in <strong>all</strong> sectors in these areas go up, the quality of life, and the beauty of these places increases, rather than decreases.  The vision of an &#8220;elite,&#8221; &#8220;luxury&#8221; future is sustainable, not self-destroying.  I believe there are other solutions as well to the problems of an area that is highly desirable to outsiders.  No reason why some efforts in these directions can&#8217;t begin (or begin to be enforced) in Bali.</p>
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		<title>By: Dewaratugedeanom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dewaratugedeanom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to post another statement here that is certainly going to raise a lot of bad blood and I&#039;m risking to be stamped as negativist. Nevertheless, here it comes.
Once I had a conversation with an elderly Balinese gentleman about the state of Indonesia in general and Bali in particular. As I wondered how come in a region like this with such abundant natural resources there was still so much poverty, backwardness and ignorance, his straight and blunt answer was, and I quote literally: &quot;It&#039;s the quality of the people. &lt;em&gt;&#039;Katak di bawah tempurung&#039;&lt;/em&gt;&quot;. I was really shocked to hear it coming from a local mouth and I still find it hard to beleive.  
But what do we see?
60 years after independence the country looks like a mess and is still lagging behind it&#039;s smaller and less endowed neighbours. Emigration (perantauan) of the willing and able has become a political problem. 
Nature is raped, planes fall out of the air, trains derail and ships burn or sink almost on a monthly basis. Is this really coincidence or is it plain neglect? Anyway people just don&#039;t seem to give a damn. Too busy watching &#039;sinetron&#039; or sending SMS.
Many believe that in order to develop one has to destroy first. Natural beauty is there to be shamelessly exploited. Have a look at the Ceking rice-terraces in Bali, it&#039;s pathetic.
&lt;em&gt;KKN, pungli, upeti,&lt;/em&gt; from high to low. Every Indonesian knows what these words mean. All had and still have to deal with it on a daily basis. The problem seems almost genetically determined.
Violations of human rights in certain places, should they still be denied?
After the trials in Sulawesi for sectarian violence, can one still pretend that in Indonesia there is no double standard in upholding the law? Why are the Bali bombers still alive and kicking, busy getting laptops smuggled into their cells?
Is it therefore any wonder that some parts of the country put their hopes on sharia law, which in itself is certainly not in line with the history and character of the region?
President Sukarno, first-time nationalist and founding father of this republic, once called Indonesia a nation of coolies and a coolie among nations. Sad, but true. Should something be done about it or is it &#039;nrimo saja&#039;?
Where are the new &#039;dalang&#039; to instruct and educate? Because Indonesia matters, you know.
Thank you for reading this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to post another statement here that is certainly going to raise a lot of bad blood and I&#8217;m risking to be stamped as negativist. Nevertheless, here it comes.<br />
Once I had a conversation with an elderly Balinese gentleman about the state of Indonesia in general and Bali in particular. As I wondered how come in a region like this with such abundant natural resources there was still so much poverty, backwardness and ignorance, his straight and blunt answer was, and I quote literally: &#8220;It&#8217;s the quality of the people. <em>&#8216;Katak di bawah tempurung&#8217;</em>&#8220;. I was really shocked to hear it coming from a local mouth and I still find it hard to beleive.<br />
But what do we see?<br />
60 years after independence the country looks like a mess and is still lagging behind it&#8217;s smaller and less endowed neighbours. Emigration (perantauan) of the willing and able has become a political problem.<br />
Nature is raped, planes fall out of the air, trains derail and ships burn or sink almost on a monthly basis. Is this really coincidence or is it plain neglect? Anyway people just don&#8217;t seem to give a damn. Too busy watching &#8217;sinetron&#8217; or sending SMS.<br />
Many believe that in order to develop one has to destroy first. Natural beauty is there to be shamelessly exploited. Have a look at the Ceking rice-terraces in Bali, it&#8217;s pathetic.<br />
<em>KKN, pungli, upeti,</em> from high to low. Every Indonesian knows what these words mean. All had and still have to deal with it on a daily basis. The problem seems almost genetically determined.<br />
Violations of human rights in certain places, should they still be denied?<br />
After the trials in Sulawesi for sectarian violence, can one still pretend that in Indonesia there is no double standard in upholding the law? Why are the Bali bombers still alive and kicking, busy getting laptops smuggled into their cells?<br />
Is it therefore any wonder that some parts of the country put their hopes on sharia law, which in itself is certainly not in line with the history and character of the region?<br />
President Sukarno, first-time nationalist and founding father of this republic, once called Indonesia a nation of coolies and a coolie among nations. Sad, but true. Should something be done about it or is it &#8216;nrimo saja&#8217;?<br />
Where are the new &#8216;dalang&#8217; to instruct and educate? Because Indonesia matters, you know.<br />
Thank you for reading this.</p>
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		<title>By: dewaratugedeanom</title>
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		<dc:creator>dewaratugedeanom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susi&#039;s opinion piece and her - from the name I guess she is a woman - reactions to the comments on it give the impression that she is a caring person who is actually suffering from a condition called &#039;Bali Blues&#039;. All foreigners that once got fascinated by this place and stayed here for a while are affected by it sooner or later. It&#039;s like falling in love with a princess and then find out that the veneer of beauty also conceales a dirty tramp that is only interested in your money. &lt;em&gt;Pulau indah, pulau sampah&lt;/em&gt;. Nevertheless I hope her engagement pays off, cause her viewpoints are right on spot. But the problem has to be solved by the Balinese people themselves. If they cannot impose to themselves the discipline to let things develop the way it was meant by the &#039;leluhur&#039; (ancestors) by adhering to their wonderful values and principles like &#039;Tri Hita Karana&#039;, but rather give in to non-confrontationalism, indolence and shortsighted materialism, then all measures from government agencies, foundations, NGO&#039;s, interest communities and so on will be in vain. Civilisations do not change overnight but have to adapt to changing circumstances. Disrupting factors have to be dealt with cautiously but firmly. If waste disposal and treatment still poses technogical and financial problems, at least prevention can be obtained by discipline and education. Although the &#039;adat&#039; (traditions) still works fine in itself, it is the culture shock between traditional lifestyle, modern technology and overnight developments for which the &#039;adat&#039; contains no provisions, that mainly is to blame for the bad state now. A change of attitude is needed urgently, if not then it&#039;s &#039;Bali Done&#039;. Mogi-mogi Bali ajeg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susi&#8217;s opinion piece and her &#8211; from the name I guess she is a woman &#8211; reactions to the comments on it give the impression that she is a caring person who is actually suffering from a condition called &#8216;Bali Blues&#8217;. All foreigners that once got fascinated by this place and stayed here for a while are affected by it sooner or later. It&#8217;s like falling in love with a princess and then find out that the veneer of beauty also conceales a dirty tramp that is only interested in your money. <em>Pulau indah, pulau sampah</em>. Nevertheless I hope her engagement pays off, cause her viewpoints are right on spot. But the problem has to be solved by the Balinese people themselves. If they cannot impose to themselves the discipline to let things develop the way it was meant by the &#8216;leluhur&#8217; (ancestors) by adhering to their wonderful values and principles like &#8216;Tri Hita Karana&#8217;, but rather give in to non-confrontationalism, indolence and shortsighted materialism, then all measures from government agencies, foundations, NGO&#8217;s, interest communities and so on will be in vain. Civilisations do not change overnight but have to adapt to changing circumstances. Disrupting factors have to be dealt with cautiously but firmly. If waste disposal and treatment still poses technogical and financial problems, at least prevention can be obtained by discipline and education. Although the &#8216;adat&#8217; (traditions) still works fine in itself, it is the culture shock between traditional lifestyle, modern technology and overnight developments for which the &#8216;adat&#8217; contains no provisions, that mainly is to blame for the bad state now. A change of attitude is needed urgently, if not then it&#8217;s &#8216;Bali Done&#8217;. Mogi-mogi Bali ajeg.</p>
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		<title>By: Susi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, I have a moment to return to the Very Important Point:

&lt;blockquote&gt;how come a society with a unique culture like the Balinese that has been built over more than a thousand years, suddenly needs mass tourism for its survival?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Simple answer:

They don&#039;t need it.

Furthermore there is some bizarrely naive misunderstanding of the basic principles of economics here in Bali at all levels.

Supply and demand curve?  Know about that?  Intuitively or otherwise?

Raise the &quot;price&quot; until you hit that ideal spot on the supply/demand curve!  

How can people say the Balinese are greedy for struggling so hard to get more tourists in the door?  Not greedy, just naive.  Or stupid.

If they were indeed greedy, they would have figured out how to charge the maximum price possible in order to keep the same total revenues.  Far, far fewer tourists would be here, only the ones to whom the price was &quot;worth it&quot; or who were able to afford it.  This would mean fewer villas, fewer bars, fewer paved-over rice fields, fewer cafes, hotels . . . but still the &lt;strong&gt;same amount of money&lt;/strong&gt; coming in.  Imagine that.

This &quot;alternative-but-possible reality&quot; would also create natural incentives for cooperation (rather than vicious and fruitless competition and jealousy), effecting a fine antidote to the &quot;iri&quot; syndrome, where people here tend to hate their neighbors for succeeding (with a warung, bungalow, cold drink stand, sarong stand, whatever), and respond by badmouthing them, attempted sabotage by devious means, or . . . most often . . . by going into direct competition against them.  Then we have nine or nineteen or ninety sarong sellers all in a row, competing with each other. Prices go down so far, none of them are making any money at all!  It happens EVERYWHERE here, ALL the time.  

When the sarong prices (or bungalow room prices, or whatever) go down so far, the vendors need to respond by finding ways to get CHEAPER inventory.  Quality drops.  The downward spiral accellerates.

And this model applies not only to the sarong-selling level of the economy here.  Bungalows, hotels, villas, nightclubs, you name it.  They syndrome is acute, and I hope not chronic, or fatal!!!

The analysis above does a lot to respond to Julita&#039;s ill-founded &quot;defense&quot; of Bali which was based partly on the fact that you can get a five star hotel room cheap here.  That is post patently NOT a Good Thing!

In fact it underlines the problem, highlights it, and illustrates it.

I say &quot;fie&quot; on those who celebrate the five star room at a two star price as evidence that Bali is &quot;good&quot; and &quot;everything is beautiful&quot;.  It&#039;s heinous, actually.

Cheers,

Susi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, I have a moment to return to the Very Important Point:</p>
<blockquote><p>how come a society with a unique culture like the Balinese that has been built over more than a thousand years, suddenly needs mass tourism for its survival?</p></blockquote>
<p>Simple answer:</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t need it.</p>
<p>Furthermore there is some bizarrely naive misunderstanding of the basic principles of economics here in Bali at all levels.</p>
<p>Supply and demand curve?  Know about that?  Intuitively or otherwise?</p>
<p>Raise the &#8220;price&#8221; until you hit that ideal spot on the supply/demand curve!  </p>
<p>How can people say the Balinese are greedy for struggling so hard to get more tourists in the door?  Not greedy, just naive.  Or stupid.</p>
<p>If they were indeed greedy, they would have figured out how to charge the maximum price possible in order to keep the same total revenues.  Far, far fewer tourists would be here, only the ones to whom the price was &#8220;worth it&#8221; or who were able to afford it.  This would mean fewer villas, fewer bars, fewer paved-over rice fields, fewer cafes, hotels . . . but still the <strong>same amount of money</strong> coming in.  Imagine that.</p>
<p>This &#8220;alternative-but-possible reality&#8221; would also create natural incentives for cooperation (rather than vicious and fruitless competition and jealousy), effecting a fine antidote to the &#8220;iri&#8221; syndrome, where people here tend to hate their neighbors for succeeding (with a warung, bungalow, cold drink stand, sarong stand, whatever), and respond by badmouthing them, attempted sabotage by devious means, or . . . most often . . . by going into direct competition against them.  Then we have nine or nineteen or ninety sarong sellers all in a row, competing with each other. Prices go down so far, none of them are making any money at all!  It happens EVERYWHERE here, ALL the time.  </p>
<p>When the sarong prices (or bungalow room prices, or whatever) go down so far, the vendors need to respond by finding ways to get CHEAPER inventory.  Quality drops.  The downward spiral accellerates.</p>
<p>And this model applies not only to the sarong-selling level of the economy here.  Bungalows, hotels, villas, nightclubs, you name it.  They syndrome is acute, and I hope not chronic, or fatal!!!</p>
<p>The analysis above does a lot to respond to Julita&#8217;s ill-founded &#8220;defense&#8221; of Bali which was based partly on the fact that you can get a five star hotel room cheap here.  That is post patently NOT a Good Thing!</p>
<p>In fact it underlines the problem, highlights it, and illustrates it.</p>
<p>I say &#8220;fie&#8221; on those who celebrate the five star room at a two star price as evidence that Bali is &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;everything is beautiful&#8221;.  It&#8217;s heinous, actually.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Susi</p>
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