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  1. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 11th, 2007 at 9:35 pm

    You, have really astonished me on the subject of al-bukhari hadeses and aisha’s age. Yes all these hadises suggest the age of Aisha is (6-9 years).

    Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
    ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
    Narrated ‘Ursa:
    The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

    Based on a number of Ahadith, Muslims have long concluded that the Prophet (pbuh) married Aisha (r); the daughter of his companion Abu Bakr (r), when she was only about 9 years of age……………..

    http://www.formerMuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19678&sid=cfe301623a0ac77099ef1d2febf0c71b#19678

  2. avatar Shiva says:
    August 11th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

    Sep. 1, 2006 update:

    Homaidan Al-Turki was sentenced to 27 years in prison by Judge Mark Hannen in Arapahoe County District Court for 12 felony counts vis-à-vis his Indonesian housekeeper (unlawful sexual contact with use of force, criminal extortion, and theft) and two misdemeanours (false imprisonment and conspiracy to commit false imprisonment), plus eight more years on other charges. Far from acknowledging any wrong-doing on his part, however, Al-Turki denied having enslaved the woman or abused her. To the contrary, he insisted that he treated the woman the same way any observant Islamic family would treat a daughter. He then went on and accused the authorities of persecuting him for being a Muslim.

    Your honor, I am not here to apologize, for I cannot apologize for things I did not do and for crimes I did not commit. The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviours. Attacking traditional Muslim behaviours was the focal point of the prosecution.

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/526

    well well well

    Many of these basic Muslim behaviors”(slavery, rape, and torture. ) are actually against the law in most of the world.

    Aluang Anak Bayang / K Butt.

    Just a reminder that the women that was kidnapped, just happened to be an Indonesian Muslimah Sister of yours.

  3. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 11th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    Dear moslem brother kbutt, the link you gave goes to a forum which suggested that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) could be 19 years old when our beloved prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) deflowered her. I can easily spot a Jews’ conspiracy. They are trying to confuse us. All authentic hadithes pointed out that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) was playing with dolls when Mohammad (peace be upon him) bonked her. Why would a 19 years old play with dolls? The Jews were jealous that God sanctioned pedoplilia for good Muslims.

    A great many Indonesian Muslims, especially the NU Muslims, do not know about the young age of Aisha (Allah be pleased with her), those who do a bit of research immediately left Islam. Woes be upon them, these showed that their faith is not strong enough. Next time tsunami and earthquake strike, I will be sticking both thumbs up.

    I see your faith wavering, please don’t lose your focus. Let’s curse those apes together.

    Q2:65 for you are well aware of those from among you who profaned the Sabbath, whereupon We said unto them, “Be as apes despicable!”

  4. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 4:26 am

    Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatuallahi wa barakatuhu, re

    well well well

    Many of these basic Muslim behaviors”(slavery, rape, and torture. ) are actually against the law in most of the world.

    The world is going to be overrun by Allah’s army sooner or later. Basic Muslim behaviour will be the norm as we are heading toward another golden age in Islam.

    Aluang Anak Bayang / K Butt.

    Just a reminder that the women that was kidnapped, just happened to be an Indonesian Muslimah Sister of yours.

    50,000 before the Big Bang, Allah has pre-destinated the fate of this woman. She must be an NU Muslimah, and NU is pseudo-Islam.

  5. avatar Sylvester says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 5:39 am

    Aluang is dreaming, he he.
    There is no chance that Islam’s god can rule the world.

  6. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 9:55 am

    “I see your faith wavering, please don’t lose your focus. Let’s curse those apes together…. ”
    My faith is between i and Allah , yours with you and your lord (Allah). I will be accountable for my deeds and no other …. You will be accountable for your deeds and no other.

    And such, this holds true for all man kind. To non-Muslims all i can quote are these verses.

    [Kafiroon 109:1] Proclaim, (O dear Prophet Mohammed – peace and blessings be upon him), “O disbelievers!”

    [Kafiroon 109:2] Neither do I worship what you worship.

    [Kafiroon 109:3] Nor do you worship Whom I worship.

    [Kafiroon 109:4] And neither will I ever worship what you worship.

    [Kafiroon 109:5] Nor will you worship Whom I worship.

    [Kafiroon 109:6] For you is your religion, and for me is mine.

    And we will see on the day of judgment who will be successful.

    Regards
    Kbutt

  7. avatar Shiva says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 10:29 am

    Khalid Butt Says:

    The holy Quran was reviled at a period of 23 years.

    And it may it remain reviled

    Source: Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary

    reviled
    adj : assailed with contemptuous language

    Revile
    To address or abuse with opprobrious and contemptuous
    language;

  8. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 11:34 am

    O.K my bet, its revealed !

    regards
    Kbutt

  9. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    Dear Muslim brother kbutt,

    My faith is between i and Allah , yours with you and your lord (Allah). I will be accountable for my deeds and no other “¦. You will be accountable for your deeds and no other.

    This is a Christian concept. It is the duty of every Muslim to join in the fight against non-believers. Here is the verse, 216. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. 244. Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things. So, kbutt, as a good Muslim, there is no such thing as faith between you and Allah, it is every Muslim business.

    As for your stated verse, read this carefully,
    Surah 2:106:

    None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

    The lastest and better ones are,

    190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

    When you are through with this, we will go onto Allah recommended Marriage problem solving i.e Wife-swapping.

  10. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Re,

    Sylvester Says:

    August 12th, 2007 at 5:39 am
    Aluang is dreaming, he he.
    There is no chance that Islam’s god can rule the world.

    Friend, there is no such thing as Islam’s god. It is the one true GOD that created you and I. We are slave of our creator. Christians are follower of Christ, Buddhists follower of Buddha, We are special because we follow mankind’s creator, not creator’s creatures.

  11. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Dear Muslim brother kbutt,

    Pujian untuk Allah.

    WIFE SWAPPING:

    4.20 You can change your wives. Islamic wife-swapping requires saying “talaq” three times to one of the four wives, and replacing her with another wife.

    Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 63, Number 187:

    Narrated Aisha:

    A man divorced his wife, then she married another man who also divorced her. The Prophet was asked if she could legally marry the first husband. The Prophet replied, “No, she cannot marry the first husband unless the second husband has had sex with her.”

    So far we agreed on,
    1) Wife-beating. Recommended marriage problem solving.
    2) Sex with underage girl. Mohammad pbuh thighed and deflowered Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) from 6 – 9 years old.
    3) Wife-swapping. If you agree with me, then we can move onto,

    4) Sex with daughter-in-law.

    Let’s show our Javanese pseudo-Muslims brothers and sisters that if they don’t fully adopt Allah’s recommended Arab culture, more tsunamis and earthquakes are on the way.

  12. avatar Sylvester says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Christians are follower of GOD, one true GOD. Just that simple.
    Are we talking about the same GOD?
    In Christianity, GOD love and forgive, even sacrifice for us.
    In Buddhism, GOD teach human to care each other, respect the nature, and self control
    In Vishnu Hinduism, GOD ask human to give compassion
    In Islam, GOD ask human to obey HIM otherwise HE will punish and annihilate.
    Again, are we talking about the same GOD?
    Moslems are not something special. The one who is arrogant will fall deeply, the one who is humble will raise high.

  13. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    And none of their holy book claim to be word of GOD. Period.

  14. avatar Sylvester says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    Poor poor people. They can not see how GOD love them. Even they listen more to the word of a questionable god who wants them to submit as if they are slaves.
    Again, the one who is arrogant will fall deeply, the one who is humble will raise high.

  15. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    So what! kbutt, Cuk, Sputjam, Load & Load Crane and I are signing a petition for the release of all pedophiles held in secular corrupted countries. Even Michael Jackson seen the truth and is now a good Muslim. Pedoplilia is a filthy word in non-Muslim world, but who is to question our creator and his beloved prophet?

  16. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 10:08 pm

    Re Kbutt

    Sura 38, verse 44
    [To Job]: And take in your hand a bundle of thin grass and strike therewith your wife.

    I use to beat my wife with a rose. She loved it. But I admit, my wife was a bit, heu”¦ ‘special’.

  17. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    1) Wife-beating. Recommended marriage problem solving.
    2) Sex with underage girl. Mohammad pbuh thighed and deflowered Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) from 6 – 9 years old.
    3) Wife-swapping. If you agree with me, then we can move onto,
    4) Sex with daughter-in-law.

    1 – On the subject of beating i have quoted verses above from Quran as to on what instance and with what.

    2 – Underage girl, i have pasted the link, no she was not a minor. Her minimum age was around 14.

    A man divorced his wife, then she married another man who also divorced her. The Prophet was asked if she could legally marry the first husband. The Prophet replied, “No, she cannot marry the first husband unless the second husband has had sex with her.”

    since the second marriage took place and they didn’t had sex and got divorced, she must merry a husband, sleep with him and then if circumstances comes to a divorce, take the divorce.

    3) ” Wife-swapping. If you agree with me, then we can move onto..” Wife-swapping is not allowed, not justified in Quran or authentic hadeses.

    ” If you agree with me, then we can move onto.. ” I have not agreed with you and answered to best of my knowledge the questions laid at my door . ”

    4) Sex with daughter-in-law … (let me explain your miss understanding)

    For the sake of enacting a new law and eradicating injustice by the ignorant tribes. For example, Zaynab bint-Jahsh was the daughter of the Prophet’s aunt. She was married, at the recommendation of the Prophet, to Zayd ibn-Harithah, the freed slave and adopted son of the Prophet. This marriage was contracted to eradicate the discrimination against slaves and poor and to emphasize the Islamic equality and brotherhood, as Zaynab was from the family of Abd al-Muttalib, the grandfather of the Holy Prophet and the Chief of Quraysh, whereas Zayd was a slave who was freed by the Prophet.

    Unfortunately, Zaynab due to her family pride, did not get along well with Zayd despite Prophet’s persuasions. The rift between the two culminated into divorce. Meanwhile, the system of adoption of children was expressly forbidden by Allah. So, when Zayd divorced Zaynab, the Prophet of Islam, at the express command of God, married Zaynab; and, thus, put an end to the then prevalent belief that adopted sons were like real sons and that wives or widows of adopted sons were like daughters-in-laws. ….

    i hope this answers the question ….

    regards
    Kbutt

  18. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    Dear Muslim brother kbutt,
    1) Wife-Beating. We agreed in principle, except for the method used. It is Allah certified marriage problem solving.
    2) Pedophily. All hadithes pointed out that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) plays with dolls. Pre-Islamic Javanese know it is not in a 9 year old girl’s best interest to engage in marriage and sexual relations with a 52 year old man, but Arab culture is God chosen, so it is completely halal certified. Brother kbutt, are you questioning Allah the most merciful, the most compassionate? Please go to a nearest musholla if you still find it questionable.

    Let me tell you this, Islam allowed sex with animals, so it is no big deal if sex with underage children is permitted.

    “A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.” Don’t the buyers deserve a discount of some kind?

    Khomeini’s “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

    “If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.” What if it was really good and invites another lap or two? Must animals always be one-night stands?

    Until you are clear with pedophily, we will move onto Wife-Swapping.

  19. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 12th, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    ” All hadithes pointed out that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) plays with dolls. … ”

    All hadithes …. ? i dis-agree ! Please read above my postings.

    Let me tell you this, Islam allowed sex with animals …. ? i disagree, no quotation from Holy Quran …. !

    regards
    Kbutt

  20. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 12:01 am

    kbutt, let’s say I agree with you that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) is 14 years old. Tell me, would a 14 years old madly falling in love with a dying grandfather, use your commonsense. Don’t let the Joos confuse you. Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) is 6 years old.
    ps. I say ‘dying old man’ because 7th century men died earlier due to primitive health care.

    All hadithes “¦. ? i dis-agree ! Please read above my postings.

    Reread your own postings which suggested Aisha is 6 years old, and also

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151; Sahih Bukhari 9.140; Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917

    Next time, do a google search yourself, I do not have to babysit all the time.

  21. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 12:12 am

    ” kbutt, let’s say I agree with you that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) is 14 years …

    ” Tell me, would a 14 years old madly falling in love with a dying grandfather, use your commonsense. ” Which source points out that Aisha’s father was an old man … ?

    All of these assumptions you have just quoting from the web ,
    1- wife beating …
    2 – sex with animals …
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys …
    4 – under age sex …
    5 – sex with daughter in law

    And you said it your self that all you (Aluang Anak) do is google around read the stories on the web and then come sit on the argument table.

    Funny … you say your self a Muslim … i will not be surprised that this notion is only to defend your self as to not to take an attack on your non-Muslim faith.

    Regards
    Kbutt

    You embraced Islam, i believe, by reading stories put by the people who don’t like Islam and claims that Islam allows the following “¦

    1- wife beating “¦
    2 – sex with animals “¦
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys “¦
    4 – under age sex “¦
    5 – sex with daughter in law

    No, Aluang Anak, Islam doesn’t allow this “¦ you need to find some other religion .

    Regards
    Kbutt

  22. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 3:46 am

    Dear Muslim brother kbutt, re (in bold)

    ” Tell me, would a 14 years old madly falling in love with a dying grandfather, use your commonsense. ” Which source points out that Aisha’s father was an old man “¦ ?

    Did I say Aisha’s dad is an old man? Are you trying to divert attention, Doctor? If you have not stated your credential, I would not even smell a rat. How can you pass your thesis if you are not a strong reader?

    All of these assumptions you have just quoting from the web ,
    1- wife beating “¦
    2 – sex with animals “¦
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys “¦
    4 – under age sex “¦
    5 – sex with daughter in law

    Brother, they all originate from the same source, Quran and hadithes.

    Funny “¦ you say your self a Muslim “¦ i will not be surprised that this notion is only to defend your self as to not to take an attack on your non-Muslim faith.

    Like most Javanese, I am a 3rd generation born Muslim. I am guiding the authenticity of holy Quran from being corrupted by external agents. The consequences of misquoting the Quran is dire. Allah the most merciful and most compassionate, had sent in tsunamis and earthquakes to my people.

    Salam.

  23. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 4:09 am

    ” Did I say Aisha’s dad is an old man? Are you trying to divert attention, Doctor? ”

    Well , well , well …. have not quoted any thing that points out that he was an old man and telling that i am diverting attention.

    ” If you have not stated your credential, I would not even smell a rat. How can you pass your thesis if you are not a strong reader ? … ”

    Allah brought me to Canada and i finished p.h.D no wonder why u are still in Indonesia and will not be surprised if you have not seen the face of a university.

    ” Brother, they all originate from the same source, Quran and hadithes … ” no wonder why are u so week in understanding as well …

    let me again summarize it for you ,

    1- wife beating (only with thin stack of grass … Holy Quran)
    2 – sex with animals “¦ (never read across the holy Quran)
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys “¦

    Yes, in a barrel of apple there are bad apples always … ignorant Muslim like Al-Turki having sex with a maid who is earing dollars on daily basis. One word for Al-turki, Capital punishment to him.

    4 – under age sex “¦ Aisha was 14 as explained through hadises and references in the above postings.
    5 – sex with daughter in law , The prophet needed to marry the wife of his adopted son so that ignorant Muslims don’t make a devine connection to him and start praying to him than to Allah …

  24. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 4:31 am

    Well , well , well “¦. have not quoted any thing that points out that he was an old man and telling that i am diverting attention.

    Alright, I take it that you misread, doctor. I am saying that a 53 years old men is very old in the 7th century because of primitive health care. People die young then.

    Allah brought me to Canada and i finished p.h.D no wonder why u are still in Indonesia and will not be surprised if you have not seen the face of a university.

    No wonder your English is sooo good. Why hadn’t Allah sent you to Pakistani or Middle Eastern Universities, just out of curiosity?

    1- wife beating (only with thin stack of grass “¦ Holy Quran)

    Holy Quran also say to wash your butt with odd number of stones. Is it still practical?

    2. Sex with animal. I gave references. If you don’t like the web, go to the library and check it out. Here it is again:
    Khomeini’s “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
    The Little Green Book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47

    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys. AND girl. Same book below,
    Khomeini, “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

    4. Underage Sex. Who are you kidding? Every Islamic countries practised it except Indonesian pseudo-Muslims. Javanese simply can’t swallow it, and hence the onset of tsunamis and earthquakes.

    5. Sex with daughter in law. I will discuss with you later.

    2 & 3 – To be fair, many Muslims disagree with Khomeni, but he still represents a view Muslims have. There is no fatwa issued against him so I presume his views stand.

    Salam.

    Yes, in a barrel of apple there are bad apples always “¦ ignorant Muslim like Al-Turki having sex with a maid who is earing dollars on daily basis. One word for Al-turki, Capital punishment to him.

    You are defiling a good Muslim. You claimed to be well travelled, and well educated, I am not sure if you are well read. Al-Turki has the support of the whole Muslim community and many are planning a protest.

  25. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 4:40 am

    ” No wonder your English is sooo good. … ” take that as a complement !

    ” Holy Quran also say to wash your butt with odd number of stones. Is it still practical …? ”

    Again no source … of Holy Quran … ? chapter and verse …. and i will explain again why you have little memory !

    “2. Sex with animal. I gave references. If you don’t like the web, go to the library and check it out. …. ”

    books in Iran …. ? …. ? keep on reading for your satisfaction !

    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys. AND girl. Same book below,
    Khomeini, “Tahrirolvasyleh” fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

    books in Iran …. ? …. ? keep on reading for your satisfaction !

    ” 4. Underage Sex. Who are you kidding? Every Islamic countries practised it except Indonesian pseudo-Muslims. Javanese simply can’t swallow it, and hence the onset of tsunamis and earthquakes. ”

    expalined again (in a barrel of apples, bad apples always )

    ” 5. Sex with daughter in law. I will discuss with you later. … ”
    Let me help you out… tell your buddies in Iran to publish a book so that you can quote it hear

    ” 2 & 3 – To be fair, many Muslims disagree with Khomeni, but he still represents a view Muslims have. There is no fatwa issued against him so I presume his views stand. … ”

    small memory and brain of yours again doesn’t tell you that Iran is a shia and they think Ali should be a prophet …. let alone Prophet mohammad…

    Kbutt

    ” You are defiling a good Muslim. You claimed to be well travelled, and well educated, I am not sure if you are well read. Al-Turki has the support of the whole Muslim community and many are planning a protest. “¦. ”

    How dare you say that ! “¦ poor country women of mine died earning dollars and you are defending Al-Turki . How can you quote this reference as for his defense ..

    ONE WORD ” CAPITAL PUNISHMENT TO AL- TURKI ”

    Shame on you ! “¦. if you cannot defend poor women Christians and Muslims Indonesians in other countries earning money SHUT UP “¦

    ONE WORD ” CAPITAL PUNISHMENT TO AL- TURKI ”

    Kbutt

    Any one like Aluang Anak Bayang, thats follows Islam thinking it allows :

    1 – wife beating “¦
    2 – sex with animals “¦
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys .
    4 – under age sex “¦
    5 – sex with daughter in law

    Islam is not the religion ! Western media have broad casted false image of Islam around the world. Just like Aluang Anak Bayang, having no back ground as to what Islam is , did not understood the basic principles of Islam, went on a hunt for justification that allows wife beating, sex with animals, sex with daughter in law “¦ etc”¦ found his religion of forefathers allow it by reading false web sources western media has put on.

    NO ! NO ! NO !

    It’s not the one that you are looking for; every thing you thought it allows is the opposite.

    Not only that, he just recently quoted references from Iran, majority of population of which is Shia.

    The Shia Muslims believe that following the Prophet Muhammad’s death, leadership should have passed directly to his cousin/son-in-law, Ali. Throughout history, Shia Muslims have not recognized the authority of elected Muslim leaders, choosing instead to follow a line of Imams which they believe have been appointed by the Prophet Muhammad or Allah him-self.

    are you a shia Muslim Aluang Anak !

    regards
    Kbutt

  26. avatar Cukurungan says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 9:19 am

    Khalid Butt ,

    I would like to introduce myself that I am “Cukurungan” a dirty moslem who enjoy to take a dirty job in order to keep the rest of us stay clean. I recommend you to leave this forums and let the dirty one take care it for the rest.

    I don’t think you need to waste your precious time to deal with a groups of people who took and selected only 2 or 3 hadist as their most valuable source while they rejected the rest of hadist soheh.

    Regard,
    Dirty Moslem

  27. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    Dear Cukurungan,

    I have crossed path which such type before . The reason why i chose to clarify is just so that when next time when people like Aluang Anak Bayang put the argument of
    1 – wife beating “¦
    2 – sex with animals “¦
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys .
    4 – under age sex “¦
    5 – sex with daughter in law

    just open this forum and lash at him .

    regards
    Kbutt

  28. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    Dear Muslim brother kbutt, Re,

    I have crossed path which such type before .

    Then it should be easy for you to agree with me, instead of creating red herrings. Here I ask you one more time, I hope a response is forthcoming in your next comment.

    Tell me, would a 14 years old madly falling in love with a dying grandfather?

    kbutt, if you think your Arabs culture is to be applied to my Javanese family (and entire mankind to be precise) as per Allah’s demand, you have to be honest with its contents. What you are doing is benefiting the enemies of Islam trying to destabilise us. You have seen or at least read about the wrath of Allah on pseudo Indoneisan Muslims. I am trying to open their eyes on the basics, and avoid more calamities hitting our shores.

    just open this forum and lash at him .

    Sorry brother, when all else fail, you don’t try Islamic tactics on another good Muslim, as I respond in kind as per Quranic teachings.

    Salam.

  29. avatar Khalid Butt says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    ” Tell me, would a 14 years old madly falling in love with a dying grandfather? … ”

    Khalid Butt : – Well , well , well “¦. have not quoted any thing that points out that he was an old man and telling that i am diverting attention.

    Let me add this now, ” that a 53 years old men is very old in the 7th century because of primitive health care. ”

    Assumptions Heh ! , keep your assumptions in your head !

    Have not answered any reference as he was dying and made one up …

    How about tell your buddies in Iran make one book up where make Aisha’s father a dying man and quote it hear ..

    Kbutt

    Sorry brother, when all else fail, you don’t try Islamic tactics on another good Muslim, as I respond in kind as per Quranic teachings.

    let me add two more of your so called ” I respond in kind as per Quranic teachings ”

    1 – wife beating “¦
    2 – sex with animals “¦
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys .
    4 – under age sex “¦
    5 – sex with daughter in law
    6 – Wife swapping
    7 – wash your butt with odd number of stones.

    regards,
    kbutt

    Western media have broad casted false image of Islam around the world. Just like Aluang Anak Bayang, having no back ground as to what Islam is , did not understood the basic principles of Islam, went on a hunt for justification that allows wife beating, sex with animals, sex with daughter in law “¦ etc”¦ found his religion of forefathers allow it by reading false web sources western media has put on. “¦

    Kbutt

    1 – wife beating “¦
    2 – sex with animals “¦
    3 – rubbing of the thighs of small boys .
    4 – under age sex “¦
    5 – sex with daughter in law
    6 – Wife swapping
    7 – wash your butt with odd number of stones.

    too these he (looks more like a she) seeks answers !

    and claims ” I respond in kind as per Quranic teachings !”

    Yeah right !

    Kbutt

  30. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:
    August 13th, 2007 at 10:32 pm

    Re,

    Let me add this now, ” that a 53 years old men is very old in the 7th century because of primitive health care. ”

    Assumptions Heh ! , keep your assumptions in your head !

    Doctor, with your level of education, can you refute this,

    Life expectancy increased dramatically in the 20th century. Life expectancy at birth in the United States in 1900 was 47 years. At the end of the century it was 77 years, an increase of 64% (or an increase of 30 years). Similar gains have been seen throughout the world. Life expectancy in China was around 35 years in 1950. At the century’s close it had risen to around 71 years. Life expectancy in India at mid-century was around 32, by 2000 it had risen to 64 years.

    For more info, check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

    Saying ‘very old’ for 53 years old man in the 7th century is an understatement, it should be ‘very very very old’. Is it an honorable thing to leave young underage widow? It is definitely a big NO for Javanese culture. Keep your Arab culture to yourself.

    Salam.

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