Sunni vs Shia

Mar 15th, 2007, in IM Posts, by David

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13 Comments on “Sunni vs Shia”

Aluang anak Bayang Says:
March 20th, 2007 at 5:12 am
The first thing they will come up with is the US and Jews conspiracies. Trust me.
Ihaknt Says:
March 20th, 2007 at 7:14 am
Mmm, Yoda he looks like, if he was green. (I have no intention to insult Yoda to fans out there, no offence ok!)

Well the intention is good. But maybe he should actually see and take care his own backyard first, AKA Indonesia, instead of meddling in someone else’s crap who probably doesn’t want his help anyway! Again this is just a show for his social status! Sir, can’t you see that our country is increasingly and rapidly divided? Maybe while you’re at it you can throw a thing or two problems in our country? Stupid man!
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 22nd, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Well I wish him luck! This battle has been going on since The Prophet died, I can’t see a solution being found at a conference.

For a simple overview of the issue, for those interested, try here: Religion and Ethics News Weekly.

Ihaknt is right, he should try and fix what is recently broken at home, and which is at least in his power to do, instead of trying to fix a problem which has been going on for centuries with no solution.

Peace
Aluang anak Bayang Says:
March 22nd, 2007 at 8:49 pm
haha .. you guys missed the amusing point. He sounded so naive.

Read here again: Hasyim admits to being bewildered as to the causes of the fighting and hopes to find out at the conference.

The reason he is ‘bewildered’ is that our brand of Islam is unique. The majority of Indonesian Muslims do not have a clue what real Islam is. When asked if they support shariah law, they will readily put their hand up in favour of it, thinking shariah means abolishing corruption. Give them a little hint about caning, stoning and amputation, they will give you the horrified look.
Ihaknt Says:
March 28th, 2007 at 6:30 am
Hey Aluang, no f**king way I support Shariah, I’d rather be a lesbian and be deemed sinful but happy, then to support something I don’t agree with. Either way, what’s the point to live in fear? Please remember that the ones who can think for themselves don’t agree with these so-called rules. If one wants to be munafik, then one should do it without involving God’s name. It will probably abolish corruption amongst the citizens, but for the government? JALAN TERUS! By the way, are you sure it’s the majority? Because I think it’s more the people who don’t (or refuse to) know or broaden their horizon. This Yoda look alike should really just tend to his backyard.
Jamil Says:
March 30th, 2007 at 11:15 am
To live in fear of Allah you idiot! What is the country of Iraq doing to stop the violence? What is the new elected government doing to ease tension between both sides. At least this guy is trying to come up with something, all Iraqi’s are doing is blowing themself up. How do you justify that? You have no right to label Indonesian Muslims and what kind of name is aluang?
Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri Says:
April 5th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Folks,

I am sick of this wiping the bottoms of the Arab/Persian affairs using my tax money. Those idiots should first fix the Sidoarjo mud problem, get Aburizal pay the farmers, and then execute the executive who refused the engineer’s request for casing when needed, and get a control of rice business in BULOG. In that order. If they still have time, they should fire the Minister of Transport for acting so imbecilly and making me so embarassed as an Indonesian.

The truth is, it is difficult to even keep the Arabs not at each other throat, let alone to get the Farsi in the mix. The Saudis hate the Jordanian (their arch nemesis in the war fighting to be the keeper of al-Haramain), both hate the Egyptians, who also hates the Palestinians (who came to Egypt as refugees in the aftermath of ’76 war they got rid of them in the ’83s). Don’t even dream that the Syrian loved them all. Syria is fighting for a leverage and was bitterly ousted from Lebanon with the assassination by bombing of Hariri, who is a native Lebanese and was supported by Arab Saudi. The Arab nations are not all that united. They only united in dreams, and boy, they dreams a lot.

Now the Farsi (Iran) is altogether a different language and culture. That is why Shia is so bitter, aside of the Karbala case in which Hussain was killed. No wonder they took it as a legitimation to establish the Shi’ite sect. Remember the Haj insident in the ’70s when the Shi’ite rioted in Mecca during Hajj and many got shot by the Saudis, and they impose a ruling of how many Shia moslem could go to Hajj? Remember history.

They all need Israel/ Zionist/ Kafir as their common enemy. Without them they will kill each other. They have done so in the establishment of the al-Saud dynasty in the ’20s and the ousting of the real keeper of the holy places Mecca and Medina (which is the Hashemite clan, now ruling over Jordan) until today. Fortunately there is Israel, so they could conveniently blame the Zionist for almost everything they could not do.

Want to learn how Palestine was established? Why Fatah fought with Hamas? Read history of how Amin al Huseini created the Arab Legions, worked with the Third Reich to get some money and supply of arms even established the Arab SS, assasinated Effendi Kabir, the remnants of the ruler of the old Ottoman Empire in the area (who is a Turk), and called himself the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem? Yassir Arafat is Huseini’s protege. Folks, read history!

We, Indonesian should learn from it.
Ismayanto Prihandariyanto Says:
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:55 am
There is no conspiracy of Jews or Americans on shifting the hatred I agree,but also there is no Muslim’s conspriracy of fueling the slaughter between the hutus and Tutsi in rwanda. The point is that all religion SH*T!

I think also that the problem of religious conflict also happens to the religion of love, How many killed during the hutus and Tutsi? That must have been Mohammedan’s conspiracy.
Parvez hussain Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 3:11 am
Dear brother and sister if any one having any queries regarding shia faith pls ask may allah help me to resolve insha allah
Ali Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Guys,

I am not getting a clear picture what you guys are talking about. If somebody like “Hasyim Muzadi” has yaken a step towards betterment why don’t we support him in doing that. This difference within ourselves is not good when we share the same basics.
Mitch L GOld Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:09 am
I have read the Shia vs Sunni disagreements in this blog and I am slightly disheartened as a peacemaker.

However, I am reminded of the Legend of the Peacemaker – an Iroquois Legend from Canada and the United States – how he made peace between the 5 warring tribes – later called the six nations – THe peacemaker story tell how Peace might be made. It is worth reading about – foregiveness, is called for, understanding is called for, recognizing our common human values is called for.

Perhaps when the story of the Peacemaker is learned by the Sunni and the Shia and the Jews and the Christians we might have peace amongst the tribes that war against each other.

Today we all know that your g-d is my g-d is our g-d which we call the great mystery. The time for Peace is now – as we deplete the resources of the planet – one resource is not depleted – the human spirit and I call upon all my brothers and sisters to think deeply about peace, to plan for peace, to think about peace, and then – you know what we might have peace. Masha Allah!! Alah Akbar!.

Mitch GOld Peacemaker
Mir Shourath Ali Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
People should be broadminded like you Mr Hasyim,Keep it up, There are many peace loving people in this world, We are not blind to neglect Americans and Israils,Yes the main agenda should be yahudis, Its is not easy to wipe cheap mentality people’s mind. Mr Parvez, Allah is with you.
Hsargay Says:
January 27th, 2011 at 6:45 am
I must say that Abdul Khalid Al Jumhuri comments wich ndeed makes us look at history and understand the underlying issues whilst Mich Gold Peacemaker I entierly subscribe to and are so difficult to accept .
God or Allah to me is the same being one English and the other Arab.
Ibrahim / Abraham are the same persons and the God is the same , the interprestations are different of course but the God all refer to is the same entity .
This is hard to accept maybe for some people who think they own God and the other persons God is another entity .We might not agree on scripures and interpretatios but we mean the same God the God of Ibrahim or Ambraham as one wishes to call it according to his language .Tell me if I am wrong and if you should think Iam wrong
tell me why.