Security Forces

Feb 26th, 2007, in IM Posts, Opinion, by Ross

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12 Comments on “Security Forces”

John Orford Says:
February 26th, 2007 at 3:24 am
Perhaps it’s due to a lack of good governance (as is the case in much of Indonesian bureaucracy) rather than there being some concerted effort and hidden hands behind these terrible acts.

Poor governance leads to suffering from unemployment, floods, post tsunami deaths, airplane crashes and terrorist and army atrocities.

Again, maybe I am too naive. Hopefully further organic strengthening of democracy and improving governance will slowly improve these things.
Tomaculum Says:
February 26th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Simply thought:
1. to which religion the majority of the (low grade) policemen belong?
2. to which social background they belong?
3. how do the higher and high grade officers in this groups think?
4. is it different in the army?
Maybe we then know the answer?
Mohammed Khafi Says:
February 26th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
I doubt that anything in Indonesia can be taken at face value, it is all ‘smoke and mirrors’. The mystics, magicians and puppet masters who control our country do it only for their own benefit. They are all wearing masks and costumes to hide their true identities.

The only inviolable rule in Indonesia, “He who has the power makes the rules”.

Peace
Colson Says:
February 26th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Security forces almost by definition strive for discretion of decision. They tend to have their own objectives, their own policies and their own “dangerous liaisons” ( didn’t the CIA promote the Taliban in th eighties?). The weaker their state, the stronger their tendency to get out of control.

The Indonesian democracy has not yet reached maturity, the checks and balances are far from complete and so the military, the police and especially the intelligence services keep on being a liability.
Matahari Says:
February 27th, 2007 at 12:55 am
Indonesia has a long history of having the trouble to run the country from the first President Soekarno up to the present one, perhaps the time is coming for Indonesians to think of having to hire a President from the west.
John Orford Says:
February 27th, 2007 at 5:31 am
“perhaps the time is coming for Indonesians to think of having to hire a President from the west”

I hear Bush II will be available from next year on.
Robert Says:
February 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
John,

I hear Bush II will be available from next year on.

Well I think Bush might get a bit of a hostile reception in Indonesia. Some people might want to turn him into a new Indonesian dish: Sate Bush.

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Matahari

perhaps the time is coming for Indonesians to think of having to hire a President from the west.

It doesn’t matter where you get the president from. As long as the invidual policemen and other security forces have their own religion driven agenda, and don’t do what they are supposed to do, every president will fail in establishing a long term period of rest.
Matahari Says:
February 27th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
Robert.
I was only pulling everybody’s legs, what I was trying to say is: if they want the country to be moving forward like the developed countries then perhaps they need to start to think and act (positives ones) like people in developed country, most of the institutions in Indonesia, government or non government organisations including religion organisations are based on collusion and nepotism, they are the perfect ingredients to produce corruption but seriously Indonesia has serious problems of running the country, they need serious help, there are lots of chronic deseases in the Indonesian government.

Btw, I am Indonesian who left Indonesia almost 10 years ago, had enough, basically!

P.S. John, I heard Tony Blair will be handed his resignation in the middle of this year, so there you go, there are two top men will be available for hire.
Robert Says:
February 27th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Matahari,

I got your point. I am just wondering if there will ever be a president who can solve Indonesia’s immense problems. There are just too much problems and disasters (natural and manmade) happening at the same time and in all layers of society.
You can bring in all the foreign presidents you want, but they won’t get better results.

Lots of your fellow Indonesians have done the same and will follow the same path you did. It is a sad thing when people who want to pursue a better life have to leave their home country.
Cukurungan Says:
February 28th, 2007 at 7:44 am
According to “holy man and holy woman” in this forum, it was sounded that Indonesia is a hell land for the wrong people and wrong society while in the advanced country is a heaven where good people and good society are growing and living. But please take a look at the real facts, is the suicide rates in Indo highest or are crimes, murder and rape rates in Indonesia highest in the world’s? Why I dragged to these matters because if in the advanced country are described so nice place and so perfect why their people are not happy and their suicide is high and crime rates even in some advanced country higher than Indonesia’s rate. Yes our country has many problems but we are a young country with a not mature society however our country is not as bad as Columbia, Bolivia, Srilangka and Brasil where gang war is on their daily menu.

Yes we have no.1 corrup gov, flooding, traffic jams and some crimes but if you are a bit smart you can enjoy your life here with very little cost so why many “bule tua” want to live here in their remaining ages but our government isn’t smart enough to smell these cakes.
Ivan Rizki Says:
March 1st, 2007 at 9:11 am
All those thugs with the so called “faith defender” like laskar jihad, front pembela islam are backed by the Indonesia military, recently I read a book “Allah Torch” by Tracy Dahlby that the military use these thugs to stir and create chaos in Indonesia daily life. After the downfall of soeharto the military loosing their grip and influence in order to have their power back in politics is to use thugs as they are the mother of all thugs.

Ivan Rizki
Chas Caldwell Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 9:50 am
Are there any non Muslim generals serving in the TNI at the moment?