82 Comments on “Mosque Loudspeaker Noise”
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Hassan Says:
October 19th, 2007 at 8:07 pmRADEN, you obviously lacks something called ‘empathy’. You can yap all you want, but you haven’t tried being an African American living in the US, have you? Not everyone is as spoiled and privileged as you are.
Besides, if you love America so dearly (which made you sound like a ‘kacung’ sucking up to his master) and hates Indonesia so much, why don’t you just pack up and leave, and don’t ever come back for any reason whatsoever! No one here will miss you, I can guarantee that. I hate people who likes to badmouth his own country. I guess you must have been cursing your luck for being born in Indonesia.
would it be better to let all of them to use loud speakers when praying to their God ?
Adzan is a call for prayer, not the prayer itself, smart Alec.
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Raden Says:
October 19th, 2007 at 10:22 pmHasin … eh Ha-san,
it is up to the immigration check point of Indonesia to decide who is a better & worth citizen among us unless the Immigration officer is blind can not identify who is Raden & who is Arab wannabe Hasin … eh Hasan -
October 19th, 2007 at 10:34 pmAbu, you have not explained, why do you chosed not to adapt & mingle around with majority American since u born in the land of USA?. If u study hard, get any degree in America then you will not be cornered by the society. Pls do not drag off the topics back to pre historic few hundred years ago (not relevant as u have not born), blah blah blah … just answer me within your domain age, the time zone as we are living in the internet zone time, why ?
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Sputjam Says:
October 19th, 2007 at 11:05 pmTodays’s muslims disregard God’s messages in the koran. The more muslim you becomes, the more deviant you are from the koran.
this is the truth! there is no ritual worship in the koran. The koran forbid idol woship.
If you disregard this message, the chances are that you will die as a pagan (or idol worshipper) and will face punishment in the hereafter. -
October 20th, 2007 at 7:25 amRAT-IN… err RA-DEN (see, two can play that game),
About the immigration officer thing, first off, in no way would I want to go to a racist country like the US. Secondly, I don’t think sucking up to Uncle Sam will help you in any way to get that green card you always want so you can be a second class citizen there. You might as well beg, but they still wouldn’t give it to a White people wannabe like you.And you call me an Arab wannabe? Did you hear me sucking up to the Arabs the way you sucked up to your perceived masters (the Bules)? Besides, I don’t look like Arabs in any way and I don’t plan to imitate them in the future. But I reckon you must have the Bule look in you, the way you seem to almost worship their values.
If you call a Muslim like me as an Arab wannabe, then perhaps to you Christians are White people wannabes, and Hindus are Indian wannabes. How smart (sarcasm intended)..
PS: Stop telling other people like Abu Sulaiman to mingle and all that. Now I ask you this, can you mingle here in Indonesia? All the talk, but I suspect the reason why you ran off to the US is because nobody here likes you. In your stays in the US, you were a tourist or an outsider, try living like the way Abu Sulaiman had lived all his life, try being an African American living in the US first, then you can yap all you want, wise man.
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October 20th, 2007 at 7:50 amAbu Sulaiman:
While Indonesia is a Muslim dominated country, the posters in this blog are mostly non-Muslims. Most of them are good people, but there are always bad apples like RADEN in any community. People like him hates anything about Islam (not just the Adzan), some people unfortunately thinks that jumping into the anti-Islam bandwagon is a good thing, while they’re actually spreading (and will eventually reap) hatred. While Sputjam is.. different to say the least. He’s one of those progressive Qu’ran-only Muslims, or something like that.
All I can say about your situation, Brother, is I hope that you can fulfill your dreams to immigrate (as an act of Hijrah) to a Muslim country very soon.
As the Holy Qur’an mentioned in Surah Az-Zumar (39:10) Say: “O ye my servants who believe! Fear your Lord, good is (the reward) for those who do good in this world. Spacious is Allah’s earth! those who patiently persevere will truly receive a reward without measure!”
Salaam.
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Janma Says:
October 20th, 2007 at 8:01 amHassan, you were actually sounding pretty racist and hateful yourself there sweetie, you might want to watch that, because I always thought you were calm and understanding… now I see that you actually have a deep hatred for ‘bule’ as you put it.
Janma
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October 20th, 2007 at 8:52 amI’m sorry to disappoint you, Janma. But I do have this tendency to give people a taste of their own medicine when normal measures fails. In my life’s experience, that is one of the most effective way to make people learn something called empathy.
No, I don’t hate ‘bules’, in fact I grew up among them (my father worked for an American oil company in Sumatra). I just wanted to make RADEN feel the same way I felt when he call me as an Arab wannabe, and make him realize the futility of his statement (as I can say the same thing about him).
Did you notice the different tone I used when addressing Abu Sulaiman, though? It means that I was just returning RADEN the favor he gave me.
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Janma Says:
October 20th, 2007 at 10:58 amI do have this tendency to give people a taste of their own medicine when normal measures fails. In my life’s experience, that is one of the most effective way to make people learn something called empathy.
Actually, I don’t think that creates empathy at all… I think that attack and counter attack just creates a vicious circle… people don’t often respond with empathy to being attacked… I mean he didn’t create any empathy in you by doing it did he? and I don’t see you attacking him back creating empathy in him. I am not condoning Raden’s mode of communication either…. but I didn’t expect it from you.
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October 20th, 2007 at 11:23 amFact is muslim religionist have become arrogant. They will bulldoze their agenda, and they have no respect for the community of country they live in, as long as they get to do things their way.
The azan call is an example. They do not care a hoot for creating loud noises. Some goes further by blairing out a whole sermon (maybe several hours) on loudspeakers at maximum volume. It defies their logic that those who have an interest in the sermon, would have gone to the mosque to listen.Hassan has confirmed what I have been saying all along. That those who believe and have faith in God, they will be judged by their deeds alone as he quoted the surah below :-
As the Holy Qur’an mentioned in Surah Az-Zumar (39:10) Say: “O ye my servants who believe! Fear your Lord, good is (the reward) for those who do good in this world. Spacious is Allah’s earth! those who patiently persevere will truly receive a reward without measure!”
There is no worship in God’s messages. If you perform worship ritual, you may be wasting your time. But if the worship ritual have an element of idol worship, then you may suffer in the next life.
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Janma Says:
October 20th, 2007 at 12:21 pmSputjam said yet again!
There is no worship in God’s messages. If you perform worship ritual, you may be wasting your time. But if the worship ritual have an element of idol worship, then you may suffer in the next life.
you are beginning to sound like a broken record my friend! I think you must have harped on this point hundreds of times over! we get it already!
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October 21st, 2007 at 8:54 pmFrom this thread of discussion, it is very clear that some militant muslim ala Arab will buldoze their agenda without respect to their community as if others non muslims are not rightfully exist ! This is arrogant ideology (I said just ideology not religion) as according to Sputjam’s statement, I agree.
To Abu, if you plan to migrate into Indonesia, you maybe dissappointed because majority of Indonesian muslims are by identity card’s religion status only, because the state do not recognize ‘atheist’ thus muslim is our default !. Most of do NOT similar to the pagan Arab muslims, therefore without full respect, we do not need an arrogant muslim like you who proved can not co exist & try to be exclusive in your veryown born land the USA. Our muslim rich people who own bungalows in Beverly Hills happily living in your land of USA without any complaints and they will renew again & again their green card for their sons/doughters, grand sons, etc etc … so why there are Indon born muslims like to stay in USA while you are born USA muslims hate your very own country ?? it is obvious that u chose to be a militant by ideology nothing to do with your religion actually, you hijack your religion to justify your ‘ideology’
Beside, we have enough stock of militant muslims here like Basyir the leader of JI in Ngruki Solo, it is enough to give us domestic troubles … please spare us, do not come here … we can not digest if there are too many militant muslims here, beside our country is not a prefer choice of international job seekers .. it is very difficult to secure a decent job here …AM I A RACIST PERSONS HERE ?
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dewaratugedeanom Says:
October 22nd, 2007 at 8:53 pmJanma said to Sputjam
you are beginning to sound like a broken record my friend! I think you must have harped on this point hundreds of times over! we get it already!
Don’t blame Sputjam. It’s the method they use in pesantrens. By constantly letting repeat the same ideas or verses over and over people start believing their own words. It’s called brainwashing.
But at least he tries to convince us that we should focus on doing good deeds only. Nothing wrong with that. -
October 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmI am merely conveying the message repeated many times in the koran, which the muslim religionist have ignored.
Instead these religionist created a new set of rules, which are not contained in the koran, which they observed with true dedication, like 5 daily rituals, friday prayers, fasting, the Haj (idol worship) etc.
Doing good deeds have been obliterated from their daily ritual. It has been replaced by their enthusiasm for idol worship ( a great sin in the koran), which they do frequesntly and with enthusiasm. -
Tuan Says:
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 amAbu,
You are not the first Muslim brother in the US to talk about making Hejira. In all honestly, I kinda agree with Radeon. America is a great country despite all the problems it has. It is the one country where a nobody can become a somebody with hard work and dedication. The greatest athlete of the last century was an American… a Muslim American (Muhammad Ali).
I never been to Indonesia at all in my life. I was born and raised here and I am practising Muslim currently working on my masters degree and working. I think there are great things for a Muslim in America and many opportunities to help the condition of others while showing a good face of Muslim community in the world here in the US than in Indonesia. I have had contacts with Indonesian students during my college years and a lot of them say that America is great country to be a Muslim and raise a family. I do not want to assume things but there is no clear right or wrong in Indonesia. There is ambiguity about drug usage and drinking, even though they are Muslims at heart. In America, we have the opportunity to see a clear distinction between right and wrong, more or less this helps to strengthen our identity and our faith.
While hearing the azhan each day and being around Muslims is nice and all but to me it is a luxury that we can live without. We all are given gifts from Allah that others do not have and why throw away the gift of living in America?
Again I have known Muslims who talk about making Hejira to other Muslims countries but I do not think they see the big picture.
~Tuan - Indonesian American Muslim
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Anita McKay Says:
October 26th, 2007 at 4:27 amJust want to point out that I suffered from the ‘religious noise’ too but from the other way around. My parents’ house is right next to a church, I don’t know which church specifically but it’s definitely not Catholics, because every Sunday, they sing out loud it sounds more like a concert, complete with the band and clapping, starts from around 4PM and it could continue until 9. Not to mention the chatting in between and laughter could be heard too. Luckily all of them have good voices. I tried not to complain, but I only visited my parents and don’t live there. But we definitely have to yell to each other during the singing period, and it’s uncomfortable.
Before that when I was little, we lived next to IAIN (the Islamic Institute) and they have the biggest and the loudest speaker in town, and during Ramadhan we could hear clearly everybody’s name and each donation to the mosque, and all night Qur’an reading, sometimes was really good, sometimes annoying high-pitch voices from little kids who were more yelling than reading, and started from 12.00 AM they would sing and bang the drums and everything, to wake people up until around 3.00 AM.
My point is, any noise is annoying. Especially if the speaker abuse the microphone. Maybe everybody should learn about public speaking before getting close to the mic.
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Ihaknt Says:
October 26th, 2007 at 12:00 pmJanma, maybe he meant Indonesian Idol worship. now that’s haram!
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Dragonwall Says:
December 8th, 2007 at 5:22 amWhen prayer is in the soul, faith is in the heart, do they need loudspeaker? Or is that they need God to know they are praying!
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Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
December 8th, 2007 at 11:52 amAbu, for f**k sake, don’t come here.
If adzan is what you like, I suggest Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Sudan. Allah swt lived there, definitely not in Indonesia.
Salam.
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Debby Tuilan Says:
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 amSun. June 22, 2008
Hi,
I live in US and my 2 teenage boys are Americans. I used to live there when I was a little kid. You bet, it’s annoying and wake you up as a wake up call……….hahahahahhahaa to take a walk outside or exercise. I hope they don’t keep breeding babies all the time. It’s sad to know of the growing fast of human popullation.
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Anon Says:
September 24th, 2008 at 4:29 pmWould someone be so kind to read this for me, please
Surah Al Luqman 31:19
Thank you.
Allah bless you all.
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Purba Negoro Says:
September 25th, 2008 at 3:08 amI am a Muslim and I have to partially agree with some complaints.
Part of Pancasila freedom and right to Right to Worship is the Responsibility of not imposing unfairly on others.
A lot of times the loudspeaker is turned up too loud- or tiny mosques clsoe together all have enormous loudspeakers.
Having children poorly call the Azan or read prayers into the loudspeaker is not truly Muslim call to prayer for the faithful.
I am lucky where I live- only the new muezzin will snig overly enthusiastically- otherwise volume at night-time during Ramadan even is low.
Solat does not mean pray five times a day. It means obligation to pray- however, whenever is truly up to you- but it is recommended 5 times a day.
But that’s a personal choide between you and God. The more the merrier- good for you.But God in His Infinite Wisdom will clearly see who is the better soul- the one who prays 5 times a day for his own benefit but is a somewhat nasty person- or the one who prays seldom and helps the poor for love of humanity.
Legally- mosques are allowed to play azan. The volume is not specified in decibels nor relative volume and is ambiguously worded.
The reality is the PemDa will do nothing- basically they don’t care and don’t want to tread on potential voter toes and honestly, there are bigger fish to fry.Try speaking to your local imam or ulama in a civil fashion in a scheduled appointment and see if he would be so kind as to turn it down a bit.
BUT YOU or the community have to give something in return and not be demanding or expect a one sided take-take relationship.Support their orphanage or offer Sembako. Offer to pay for paint to their mosque. Offer new prayer rugs.
In other words- ask and ye shall receive but give when given in kind.
Fair is fair.
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