30 Comments on “Headscarf Ban”

1. Ihaknt Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 10:53 am

   Cool, I hope they will also ask the sexy nurses to wear nice little outfit too. I am sure it will make the sponge bath sessions a bit more memorable.

2. 1ndra Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pm

   That’s what called repeated order.
   Many people pretend to be sick and need to be ‘treated’ well.

3. sgn Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 12:40 pm

   I was about two weeks in that hospital before.
   At that time no-one wearing “jilbab”, and I met quite number of nice nurses there.

   Wonder if I can find the same now. Are they taking care of non-muhrim?

4. Dimp Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

   I don’t see any problem with nurses wearing jilbab, if they are happy to wear jilbab then let them. I think people will be glad if they are treated by happy nurses rather than nurses who are not comfortable in their outfit.

5. Hassan Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

   sgn: I’m sure they won’t change their hospitality just because they wear jilbab.

6. Tomaculum Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 9:27 pm

   That is the problem in our world: we frequently judge others according to their clothes.
   I know many Muslima with jilbab, who are tolerant. And I know many less dressed women with correct moral.
   There are stupid ones on both sides.
   

7. Andrew Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 9:29 pm

   I’m with Dimp — there’s nothing wrong with nurse wearing jilbab. What matters is their qualifications and demeanor.

8. Mohammed Khafi Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 10:27 pm

   There is always the question of cross infection from contaminated clothing which could be an issue, can we be sure that they have sufficient clean Jilbab so that they change them when they change their surgical or theater uniforms? This could be many times a day in ICU in a busy city hospital.

   Peace

9. Hassan Says:
   February 13th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

   Ah, you’re back. Welcome back, Brother Khafi!

10. Julita Says:
    February 13th, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    Well, usually nurses in the hospital have their own head covering, this they did not inform us. Yes, it would be a little bit weird to put a jilbab on a nurses head covering. So either tolerate accept Jihab as a nurse covering or make the covering as that of a nurse. Whew!

11. Tomaculum Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 1:47 am

    M. Khafi,
    as one working in health and hygienic field I don’t see any problem of working in a hospital wearing a headscarf. But they have to:
    1. change and wash the headscarf everyday
    2. put on a new scarf every time they’re going home.
    So they need at least 2 scarfs everyday and the “hospital scarf” should be cleaned or washed in the hospital laundry.
    I think the problem is the long arms of the blouses. With it, they can not do the hygienical hand washing effectively and they endanger the patients, their colleagues and their selves with their families. It is not suitable to the modern hygienic demands.
    Nowadays we are threatened by bacteria which are resistent against many antibiotics and the most frequent way to carry those germs are per hand in terms of smear infection.

12. 1ndra Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 7:37 am

    True Tom, not only the jilbab need to be washed, but their nurse uniform as well. They’re the same as normal uniform and clothing.
    Don’t misinterpret between jilbab with women’s worship clothes.

    About jilbab, its a good move for hygine, just imagine you got a patient with open wounds and you have clean the wounds but you have so much dandruff.
    Thats why in surgical room, everyone wear headscarf.

13. Andrew Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 7:48 am

    Definitely, from a hygiene perspective, a nurse with a clean jilbab (or other form of headcover) is better than without. Which is why you see people with headcover in (professional) food industry or even semiconductor manufacturing facility.

14. Madesh Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 10:01 am

    When someone is ready to join whatever organisation (whether it is an army, a navy or a hospital and so on), he oblige to follow the rules including the uniform in use. If someone gets privilege to wear different costumes then there will be no uniform.
    Brits rule the waves, Indonesian waives the rules.

15. Ihaknt Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 10:17 am

    The motto is: rules are made to be broken. When one gets away the other follow, and normally a step further.

16. sgn Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 11:05 am

    I’m sure they won’t change their hospitality just because they wear jilbab.

    Not sure…. Because I stayed there more than 10 years ago.
    

17. pj_bali Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 11:05 am

    Personally I don’t care if they wear the jilbab or not. Pehaps they should have read their contract of employment before they started to work. Its not like they are being forced to work at that hospital. If they had initially agreed not to wear the jilbab (as per their conditions of employment) then why suddenly make the demand now? And why involve the FPI? Inviting a group of professional thugs to force people to sign meaningless statements is hardly the way the improve relations between the hospital management and the nurses association. Whats the fpi going to do? Report the hospital board to the police for apostasy? Burn the houses of the board? Throw rocks at their homes? As long as Indonesia allows itself to be ruled by thugs then we can expect more this sort of nonsense.

18. Tomaculum Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    There are many more important problems in the health field/service in Indonesia ……

19. Madesh Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    I am just wondering who actually the ruler in Indonesia is.
    SBY or Habib Rizieq or Abu Bakar Basyir?

20. Tomaculum Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 1:16 pm

    Or J. Kalla?

21. Madesh Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    MJ Kalla? I don’t think so as he doesn’t have any credibility for that.

    Finally I found out that the Indonesia’s ruler has been born yet.

    If a jilbab is tolerable then the next step should be a burqa of course.
    We can all see their movement step by step in order to proclaim an Islamic country with its shariah law.
    I don’t mind if all of you like it.

22. Dimp Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    I agree with Tomaculum, I think we should be looking at other problems rather than arguing about headscarf. We have a bigger problem regarding our health services in the country. We should be looking for a solution that will actually benefits the country, not to increase tensions between the religions.

23. Ihaknt Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    Yeah, good luck with that…I have so much faith in our government. I love them. No other government is better and fairer than ours.

24. Dimp Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Thanks for the sarcasm. That really helps.

    BTW, Indonesian government is not that bad, I can at least named 3 other countries that I will not even consider going.

25. Mohammed Khafi Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pm

    I don’t see any problem with the Jilbab, as long as it meets cleanliness standards and does not impede the work of the nurses, after all Catholic Nuns who work as nurses in their own hospitals wear their headcovers don’t they?

    Of course as long as it is the choice of the nurses themselves to do it and it is not being forced on them!

    I personally like to see the nurses wearing Jilbab, but then again I do have a weakness for women in uniform!

26. Dimp Says:
    February 15th, 2007 at 4:17 am

    I don’t see headscarfs as something that needs to be addressed in the medical industry, as I said before I don’t mind if nurses are wearing headscarfs. Unless of course if they are wearing the full niqab / burqa (not sure which one is which), which will probably hinder their tasks as nurses.

27. Ihaknt Says:
    February 15th, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Just jilbab and nothing else…then the patients won’t be getting better. They’re always sick.

28. Katarina Says:
    July 13th, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    Hi I really love to see that women in other countries are allowed to wear hijab during job at hospital. I wish it would be so here in my country. Do any here know how to contact this hospital where this is ok, because want to have their uniform program so maybe could work for making this possible here too.

    Love katarina.

29. Samuel Barns Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    It would seem like a comprimise could be made by hospitals. Surely a uniform that meets the guidelines for hospital workers and one that meets the spiritual needs of the individual can become part of the optional hospital uniform selection.

30. tikaperwita Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Katarina: where are u from? where do u live??

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