Hidayat Nur Wahid

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  1. avatar Dimp says:
    March 14th, 2007 at 4:47 am

    Hi MK,

    I agree with you that there are countries that don’t apply death penalty and have lower crime rate, but as I said earlier the death penalty is not only a deterrent, but also as a punishment for crimes that are just so henous in nature.

    One can just also say that if the death penalty is applied to those countries the crime rate can be much lower.

    I believe I have argued before with someone in this forum that in some cases, death penalty is warranted. Amrozy and the other bali bombers certainly fit the profile. Can you imagine if these “animals” are to be released to the society?

  2. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:
    March 17th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Well Guys,

    I can see that I am in a minority here, I just cannot comprehend taking a life which is given by God for the sake of revenge, because when it comes down to it, that is all it is. Capital punishment as far as I can see serves no purpose as a deterrent, and all the crime statistics prove that. I admit that there are horrendous crimes which no can stir up such passions, but I cannot see that sinking to the same level as the criminals serves a purpose. I am not suggesting that these people be kept at the nations cost to be released at some later date, to commit their crimes again. But I feel that there should be some way of making them pay the people and the community for their crimes and that they should be made to live in shame for what they have done, giving them the rest of their lives to come to the realisation that the crime that they have commited has made them worthy of nothing more than loathing and disgust. No luxuries like books, newspapers, TV or radio, phones, laptop PC’s and especially no facilities for religious worship, because they have already shown their lack of faith in God by their actions, and make them work for their keep doing something which will have some benefit for the peoples that they have harmed, no work, then let them stave themselves to death, and no returning the bodies to their family and friends at their deaths, let them be incinerated like the rubbish that they are.

  3. avatar Ihaknt says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 8:17 am

    that they should be made to live in shame for what they have done, giving them the rest of their lives to come to the realisation that the crime that they have commited has made them worthy of nothing more than loathing and disgust.

    MK, come on laah. I reckon the chance of this happening is smaller than anything or bacterias that are visible under a microscope! These people have lost their mind not to mention their compassion, urat malu, common sense, etc that set us apart from loonies and animals. They have no shame, even worse they are actually proud and convinced they have done a good deed.

  4. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 8:45 am

    Niamh Piperman,
    some people want simply to complete the sumpah pemuda with a 4th sentence:
    1. Satu bangsa, bangsa Indonesia
    2. Satu bahasa, bahasa Indonesia
    3. Satu negara, negara Indonesia
    4. Satu agama, “¦. ?

    1. Satu bangsa, bangsa Indorab (offsprings from nikah mut’ah by Arab men)
    2. Satu bahasa. bahasa Arab
    3. Satu negara, negara Indonesia
    4. Satu agama, agama Arab.

    Indonesian women are not receptacle of Arab sperm. Let the Arab men sow their sperm somewhere else. If they true to our Indonesian women, they have to marry them properly and take care of their children. We are a weak and poor nation now and they are taking advantage of our women. There is nothing beautiful in the their barbaric law. Say NO to shariah. NO to contract marriages, NO to polygamy and NO to beating of women.

  5. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    Aluang,

    Arab, bule, korean and japanese, all of them were discharged their sperm here why you so concern about Arab sperm while not to other sperm.

    You can say anything but your option is very limited. Bush said you can run from sharia but you couldn’t hide from them.

    We exactly know what your intention with your post “all of you so afraid with “sharia law” and we will take advantage by riding your promoted democracy system to apply “sharia” city by city and province by province.

    regards,
    Dirty Moslem.

  6. avatar Ihaknt says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 9:55 am

    We exactly know

    We? I think you should’ve put “I”.

    I don’t see that from Aluang’s posts. But I can understand his frustration, concerns and despair toward women’s welfare. And you associate yourself with all sorts names, so why are you marring your own credibility and expect us to actually hear you let alone listen to you?

  7. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 11:29 am

    Cukurungan, don’t you notice the difference! The Arabs do it in the name of Islam, and our indoctrinated Indonesian idiots happily accepted their lie. This post is about shariah law, dear.

  8. avatar Dimp says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pm

    Hi MK,

    No luxuries like books, newspapers, TV or radio, phones, laptop PC’s and especially no facilities for religious worship.

    I think we can see this happening in Indonesia already.

  9. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    Ihaknt,

    My girls you’re correct , it should “I” and not “we” but why you didn’t answer my bid.

    Btw your flag is too high why do you thought our government has concern about women welfare while the welfare of teachers, low rank armies and police officers are neglected.

    Aluang,

    Sex is sex , I never heard f***k in the name of the religion yes there was Arabic man when raided by police was using a religion as cover their adultary but “so what” if their aldutery are against our law system, it should be the police task to put them on jail.

    If Indonesia is under sharia law and enforced it properly I think they will think 3 times before committed such thing.

    Don’t tell me about Arabic or cleric indoctrination, I was never attended madrasa, pesantren and I never meet ABB or even hearing his speech.

  10. avatar Ihaknt says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    Im not for sale. And You should be grateful as I dont treat men nicely. It’s very laughable for you to think that women are for sale. I guess you can only meet them that way in your case. What makes you think that the Sharia Law will fix things in Indo? It will further make Indo lag behind.

  11. avatar Aluang anak Bayang says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    Sex is sex , I never heard f***k in the name of the religion yes there was Arabic man when raided by police was using a religion as cover their adultary but “so what” if their aldutery are against our law system, it should be the police task to put them on jail.

    If Indonesia is under sharia law and enforced it properly I think they will think 3 times before committed such thing.

    Don’t tell me about Arabic or cleric indoctrination, I was never attended madrasa, pesantren and I never meet ABB or even hearing his speech.

    It is precisely what you described, ‘f***k in the name of the religion’. It destroys the fabric of our society and kept us in the cycle of poverty. We have to break this chain, and to do this, we have to look into the root of the problem which is Islam. My family were original native of Nganjuk, and we have seen the evil of foreign Muslim men preying on our women in the area, under the cover of Islam. Other nationals paid for sex in red light districts but Arab men did it in our living room, and you and your Muslim SAP are condoning it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  12. avatar Ihaknt says:
    March 20th, 2007 at 7:04 am

    Aluang, I agree with most of your post and very much respect your support towards women. I also hear your frustration and despair towards these unlucky women. But at the same time, Islam is currently very misunderstood. It’s easy to misunderstand it with the way the followers behave, i.e. the Arabs – who unfortunately are very sombong to think that they get away with things, which in Islam kesombongan is not what God likes. But please bear in mind that these followers have made, make, have been taught, and interpreted the religion to suit and justify their own needs and actions, in particular the men’s needs and desire. The Islam I know is not like that at all. It’s a peaceful belief.

    So, my point is, it’s not the religion to blame, it’s the followers who freely interpret ayats to suit their needs. It still amazes me how different the Islam I know from the Islam I see on TV. Anyway, thank you for your support for women, we need more people lilke you.

  13. avatar Cukurungan says:
    March 20th, 2007 at 8:28 am

    Aluang,

    Thanks finally, you disclosed yourself who you’re “Islam Phobia”. Can you tell me who is preying on balinese kids? Arabic Men or Turkey Men you tell me.

    Could you tell me why Philippines becomes the biggest exporter of PSK? Is there Islam a majority or Is there any sharia law in place.

    I hear by my own ear that a bule told to me he so enjoyed on “hunting” ibu-2 (not girls) in mall and the public facilities.

    You know exactly where is the bule kid sucker find the heaven in the south east asia. Fortunately, it is not in Indonesia but in non-moslem majority country Thailand, Kambodia and Philippine. Why like that?

    For sure, we moslem never condoned the adultery committer including the Arabic man, just 3 months ago an Arabic footballer was sent back to his home country because when masses raided his rooms it was found lady not his wives.

    regard,
    Dirty Moslem

  14. avatar Dragonwall says:
    July 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    I think it is all BS. Everyone is so eager to queue up in line and have 4 or 6 wives.
    Some even have the cheek trying to express their views and what was stipulated in the Qu’ran and impose on other’s life where it has nothing to do with others except them, the Muslims. You don’t dictate a person’s life like running a country. The Islamic religion is a way, a thought that teaches people to be civilized and preserve culture. But on the other hand if it is your belief and it is your religion do not make it to look as thoug it is everyone’s religion. I find nothing fascinating in the Islamic religion!
    so what is democracy? Is there any more democracy in an Islamic country/state/nation? Or perhaps someone will transformed the religion into Islamocracy! Or are those two bit religious scholars trying to run Indonesia like Iran, Irag, Afghanistan, and or make it into “Indo Whose Tan”? And call themselves “Or Same Been Laiden” or “How Much Bin How Many”!
    When they cry out their Muslim HAM so where does it stand now for the others?
    There are the world that belief Indonesia is safe, is it?
    Basically SBY is not as strong as Soeharto. If each and every Indonesian were to look around themselves, the surrounding, camparing to the world during the soeharto era and the post Soeharto Era. I will bet, besides seeing many new faces no one knows, you will salute Soeharto’s handling of Indonesia.

  15. avatar hidayah says:
    November 30th, 2007 at 9:21 pm

    Peace upon you

    Well guys,

    We moslems believe in life after death. Do you? We believe that life is not the end of the journey. We don’t look for enemies, but we don’t hide when they come. We want to be friends with all of you with mutual respect. We respect your beliefs and you respect ours. We respect your “secular belief”. So please respect our “God-based” belief. If you want to live your life your own way, let us live our own. Don’t let your hatred controls you, what you say and what you do. In sharia law, there are public and private matters. We have our majority values for the public matters. That’s democracy, isn’t it? We don’t force you to do sholat 5 times a day, to do fasting every ramadhan, to pay zakat other than your tax, to believe in one and only Allah Swt.. We never gonna do that. But if 51 out of 100 people think that a women walking in the street using bikini, or a man kissing a woman in public are immoral, then why you force us to think the other way around? We are a sovereign country, we can decide whatever things that we think are the best for most of our people. If your country decided to have other way of thinking, no problem. It’s your sovereignity. It’s not our mistake if your country choose to be secular. It’s your people’s decision. So let us decide on our own. And we are friends, not enemies.

    Peace upon you.

  16. avatar ahmad says:
    December 16th, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    Salam to all of you.
    I just want to learn to join in this room because this room is energetic and colorful.
    Well, to be honest, I am one of TKI in Saudi Arabia. But there is no reason to join in this nice site. Regarding islamization Indonesia is still debatable. Because to me, Indonesia population is not only Muslim, but also non Muslim. So, the state should be neutral from religion. Secular state. But what do you think if there is notion that it is normal if there is the pressure to islamization Indonesia, because the majority population of Indonesia is Muslim? But I am not sure, do this majority support Islam as a state or no. Because Islam in Indonesia is not a single one.
    That’s all what I can write here.
    ahmad.
    tki saudi arabia

  17. avatar A Wijaya says:
    August 21st, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Folks, it seems some of you have mis-understanding refer to sharia is. It’s difficult to understand the trully sharia only from this article. It’s fair that we learn and study more than drop any comments or chatting directly with hidayat nur wahid.
    Regards.

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