Poligami Award

Dec 17th, 2006, in News, by

An Islamic court in West Sumatra puts on trial Aa Gym and Yahya Zaini.

The Majelis Tinggi Kerapatan Adat Alam Minangkabau, or the Minangkabau Traditional Culture High Council, in cooperation with the Komite Penegak Syariat Islam Sumatra Barat, the West Sumatra Committee for the Application of Islamic Sharia Law, held a mock trial of polygamist Abdullah Gymnastiar and adulterer Yahya Zaini on the 14th of December, with the title Indahnya Poligami dan Bejatnya Berselingkuh, the Beauty of Polygamy and the Depravity of Adultery, at the Al-Wustha mosque in Padang. It seems, from the title, that the judgement of the court was a foregone conclusion.

Abdullah Aa Gym Gymnastiar
The lucky winner.

Both the two men were portrayed by impromptu actors, as were other well-known figures, including womens' activist Siti Masidah, Minister of Religion Maftuh Basyuni, and Minister for Womens' Empowerment Meutia Hatta.

The actor portraying Aa Gym explained that he had decided to take a second wife as a way of avoiding adultery, which is forbidden by religion. "Yahya Zaini" too admitted that he wanted to practise polygamy but his career as a politician made this a difficult choice.

Yahya Zaini
Glum faced Yahya.

Finally, after hearing all the witness testimony and after some serious deliberation, Aa Gym was not only acquitted, assuming any charges were actually laid against him, but he was awarded a prize, the Poligami Award, while naughty politician and unwilling porn film star Yahya Zaini was sentenced to death by stoning, in absentia. l6


58 Comments on “Poligami Award”

  1. avatar Oigal says:

    Hassan

    You said:

    All this time Muslims had tolerated our non Muslim countrymen, at our expense of not living the Islamic way of live.

    How very generous of you…but who has tolerated who… Whilst the population of Indonesia may be majority Muslim, the Majority of the nations wealth comes from non Muslim areas and non-Muslims.

    Seems to me that perhaps if this nation is to grow a bit more appreciation is required. Perhaps its time to look around and see who is tolerating who in the interests of nationhood.

  2. avatar Longlifelearning says:

    Hi, Toma

    Question 1: Has anyone or any official body ever checked/examined, if the sharia law is compatible with the governmental earthen law? What is to do, if some of the sharia laws are not comply to the gov. accordant parts of the gov. laws? Which one is valid?

    Question 2: In an unclear case, which law would prevail: sharia law or governmental law?

    Question 3: If the sharia law is only valid for Moslems, what about non Moslems, who do misdeeds, which are also forbidden in Islam? Example: Has the hand of a non-Moslem thief also to be amputated (in cases he/she can be rescued from the lynch justice of the mob).

    Q1. No, as far as I know. But the law should be examined based on their compatibility with the values of the people where it’s applied, not with the other law.
    Q2. Higher government law will prevail
    Q3. In my opinion, they should be put in trial based on Indonesia law.
    Still, we should respect Acehnese ‘if’ they want to use sharia law, or modified sharia law, or any law which in accordance of Indonesia law, shouldn’t we?
    Then we can learn something there ๐Ÿ˜€

  3. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Longlifelearning:

    No, as far as I know. But the law should be examined based on their compatibility with the values of the people where it’s applied, not with the other law.

    Not with the in whole Indonesia valid law? As long as Aceh or Padang or where alse is still a part of Republik Indonesia, they have to respect the generally valid law, that is democracy. Off course the sharia should also be examined based on its compatibility with the local values, but deciding is the general gov. law.

    Maybe, after the compatibility to the earthen valid law has been proofed in-depth, neutrally and dilligent, and after the MPR/MA allows it.

    Then we can learn something there.

    Learning is always giving and receiving, isn’t? Look how is the fact.

  4. avatar Bradlymail says:

    The problem faced by Muslims in south east asia, including Indonesia, they mixed Arab cultures with Islam. They thought Arab cultures are part of Islam and they ignore their own beautiful cultures. I agree with Mohammed Khafi’s statement.

  5. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Tomaculum,

    You raised the question:

    Has anyone or any official body ever checked/examined, if the sharia law is compatible with the governmental earthen law? What is to do, if some of the sharia laws are not comply to the gov. accordant parts of the gov. laws? Which one is valid?

    I think a more important question is, is Sharia Law justified by, and compatible with Allah’s teachings in Al Quran? I don’t mean that based on philosophical viewpoints of scholars from the middle ages, I mean based on a complete review of Al Quran from a modern, more enlightened perspective. Is there any justification for Sharia as it is interpreted now, in a modern pluralistic society, people are free to live their lives on their own interpretation of God’s Laws if they so wish, but should it be imposed on others?

  6. avatar Longlifelearning says:

    Toma,

    Maybe, after the compatibility to the earthen valid law has been proofed in-depth, neutrally and dilligent, and after the MPR/MA allows it

    Hehe.. I agree…
    It’s just nice to have such an agreement, don’t you think Tom?

    ps. I hope the MPR/MA will allows it ๐Ÿ˜€

  7. avatar Hassan says:

    Guys, when I said that secularism had clearly failed us, I meant that we should look around us, watch the buser sergap etc news, look at our society at large, how free sex had become a common thing, where busung lapar occurs everywhere, corruption ran rampant, scandals by our most honourable statesmen, look at how 10% of our people owns 90% of our national wealth.

    Also look at where our nation stands in comparison to our neighbours, where are we in the corruption list? in the GNP/GDP and per capita income list? where are we in the human development index list? 61 years ago we were a third world country and now? still a third world country.

    After 61 years of independence, if you call that ‘a success’ then i have nothing more to say to you.

    Tomaculum: you said, “Sometimes I ask myself, is that really Indonesia?”

    You know what Tomaculum, when i looked around these days, i rarely see what you saw, ladies in burqas and bearded men, but what i did see all the time were women in tanktops, couples hugging and kissing in public, men and women wearing tight and inviting outfit, teenagers happily performing free sex, and people preferring junk food rather than tahu tempe and home made cooking. Is that really Indonesia??

    “And if the Jews or the Christians or the Hindus say, the way of live according to their religions is the only best way, so who is right?”

    I was talking to Mohammed Khafi, a Muslim. As for non-Muslims i can say that there is no compulsion in religion, for you is your religion, for me is mine.

    Ihaknt: you said, “back to jaman jahiliyah”.

    tsk..tsk.. I don’t think Allah SWT had brought Islam and it’s law to bring us back to “jaman jahiliyah”. In jaman jahiliyah my friend, people do not practice Islamic law. Islamic law brought us away from jaman jahiliyah, not into it.

    “picik”? Are you in a habit of calling your fellow Muslims who wanted to turn to Islamic law as “picik”? then please define “arrogant”.

    andrew: who said than if we apply Islamic law, non-Muslims cannot live their way of lives? Indonesia is the only country in this world where the dominant people cannot live according to their religion’s way of life, but must conform to the way of life of the minorities instead.

    Remember the Jakarta Charter? We must conform it to the minorities’ standards.

    Oigal: you said, “the Majority of the nations wealth comes from non Muslim areas and non-Muslims.”

    My point exactly. That’s not really fair isn’t it? And what system had allowed that to happen? Capitalism and it’s followers (secularism, etc). Are you going to call us lazy again?

    Mohammed Khafi: then please enlighten me to the meaning of the verse 2:120 according to your extensive knowledge in ‘tafsir Al Quran’.

    Lastly to all, if some Muslims like me wanted to apply the sharia that doesn’t mean we wanted to force it to you, but because we felt that it’s necessary and for the good of everyone in this country (specially us, i know). That’s not ‘forcing’, that’s democracy.

    Indonesia have about 90% Muslim population, and if they wanted to apply sharia, then they will out-vote the 10%. We’re just trying to unite our votes and reach a consensus among us. I’m not forcing you to accept it either, I’m just saying that is what I wanted, nothing more and nothing less.

  8. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Dear Hassan,

    Guys, when I said that secularism had clearly failed us, I meant that we should look around us, watch the buser sergap etc news, look at our society at large, how free sex had become a common thing, where busung lapar occurs everywhere, corruption ran rampant, scandals by our most honourable statesmen, look at how 10% of our people owns 90% of our national wealth.

    Also look at where our nation stands in comparison to our neighbours, where are we in the corruption list? in the GNP/GDP and per capita income list? where are we in the human development index list? 61 years ago we were a third world country and now? still a third world country.

    And that’s all come from secularism? Yeah, you’re right. During the Taliban era in Afghanistan you wouldn’t find such things. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Surely you wouldn’t find Mc Donalds in Afghanistan at that time, but corruption?

    After 61 years of independence, if you call that ‘a success’ then i have nothing more to say to you.

    I can’t find any statement saying that call the current situation in Indonesia after 61 years independent as a success. I read the comments again and to my opinion we discuss about this:

    It’s been 61 years since our independence and Muslims had never been allowed to life their lives according to how their religion taught them, the true Islamic one.

    I was talking to Mohammed Khafi, a Muslim. As for non-Muslims i can say that there is no compulsion in religion, for you is your religion, for me is mine.

    That is the point, Hassan. If everybody yells out, that their religion is the only truthful and best religion, can we reach a peacefull living together?

    You know what Tomaculum, when i looked around these days, i rarely see what you saw, ladies in burqas and bearded men, but what i did see all the time were women in tanktops, couples hugging and kissing in public, men and women wearing tight and inviting outfit, teenagers happily performing free sex, and people preferring junk food rather than tahu tempe and home made cooking. Is that really Indonesia?

    My answer is no. But the other part is also not Indonesia! ๐Ÿ™‚

    By the way.

  9. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hassan kindly and graciously said:

    Mohammed Khafi: then please enlighten me to the meaning of the verse 2:120 according to your extensive knowledge in ‘tafsir Al Quran’.

    YUSUFALI: “Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: “The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance.” Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.”

    PICKTHAL: “And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting guardian nor helper.”

    SHAKIR: “And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah’s guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.” 2:120

    If you study the preceeding verses you will see that this is an occasion where God is speaking directly to The Prophet.

    God is telling The Prophet that He, the Prophet, would not be accepted by the Jews and the Christians because he does not practice according to their traditions.

    The Prophet is then instructed to say that the guidance of God is the only guidance meaning the guidance received before, the Taurat and Injeel, and the guidance being received by The Prophet is all the same

    The Prophet is then told that if he turned to the ways of the Jews or the Christians then he would lose Gods protection and help.

    He has been chosen by Allah, to bring confirmation of the previous scriptures in the form of Al Quran and the protection and help were to assist him in this task.

    This verse was instruction to The Prophet not to follow Jewish and Christian traditions and practices, because he was being given religious instruction in Arabic for the Arabs, because Allah knew that the Arabs would follow nothing else, and delivery of this message was Allah’s intended task for the Prophet.

    The guidance of Allah/God is all of the Scriptures, Taurat, Injeel and Al Quran.

    Allah repeats a number of time that it doesn’t matter if you are Jew, Christian or Sabian, Any who believe in God, believe in the Day of Judgment and does good deeds has nothing to fear.

    Nowhere does it say that the Muslim way is the only truthful and best way of life!

    Islam means Submission to God, acceptance of all his scriptures and teachings, be they given to Jews, Christians, Sabians, and probably hundreds of others. Allah says in Al Quran that he sent messengers to many different peoples, who are we to decide what are Allah’s teachings or not, as long as they promote tolerance, equality, the upholding of human and civil rights, and a loving and caring attitude.

    Peace Brother Hassan

  10. avatar Munafikbangetloepade says:

    Why do they — shariahist — think that Islam / syariah is a silver bullet / panacea ???

    It is not.

    I don’t believe that religions come directly / purely from “god”. … Any religion … There’s also human intervention along the way.

    I don’t even believe that those so called prophets communicated directly with “god”. They may did, but in indirect way. Many call it “inspiration”.

    I don’t have problem with that. But please just don’t insist on making people to believe that your teaching is the best / purest / holiest. It is not. Nothing is.

    After all, we’re all human beings.

  11. avatar Dimp says:

    Hi Munafikbangetloepade,

    Your comment just make my day, I agree with you.

    What is the use of religion if it only brings hatred amongst the people.

  12. avatar Oigal says:

    Lastly to all, if some Muslims like me wanted to apply the sharia that doesn’t mean we wanted to force it to you, but because we felt that it’s necessary and for the good of everyone in this country (specially us, i know). That’s not ‘forcing’, that’s democracy.

    Absolutely, and if those non Muslim provinces decide that they don’t want Sharia and opt out of your brave new world that’s democracy too right?

    That’s not really fair isn’t it? And what system had allowed that to happen? Capitalism and it’s followers (secularism, etc). Are you going to call us lazy again?

    Noone but you said lazy..

    Fair has nothing to do with it, its an accident of geography that placed a significant proportion of the nations natural wealth in non-Muslim areas (unless you want to say God/Allah was not being fair which I doubt). It has nothing to do with Capitalism unless you are advocating the other big C. The point is you are saying Muslim’s “Tolerate” the other faiths and religions in Indonesia, yet they provide so much to the nation state and the nation as it is now could not exist without them.

    Perhaps as an interesting personal experiment you could considered that they tolerate you! Doesn’t feel nice to be refered to as tolerated does it? Why does it have to be like this are not all Indonesians?

    One last point, where is this mythical nation where Sharia Law has fixed all ills?

    As Winston Churchill once said

    It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

  13. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Hassan, how could you say

    women in tanktops, couples hugging and kissing in public, men and women wearing tight and inviting outfit, teenagers happily performing free sex, and people preferring junk food rather than tahu tempe and home made cooking. Is that really Indonesia??

    Indonesia has many customs and cultures. Girls in Bali didnt even wear any tops. Even to this date some people in Irian are still naked. And what’s with bringin food into this subject? You’d be lying if you said you never had any fast food. I prefer Indonesian food anytime, but not because fast food comes from America – your much-hated enemy, but cos it’s simply bad for you. But we all know that Indo is not Saudi! Why dont you just move there?

    “picik”? Are you in a habit of calling your fellow Muslims who wanted to turn to Islamic law as “picik”? then please define “arrogant”.

    Yes i am in a habit of it but only to YOU. If that makes you tick then the answer is YES. My fellow mulims are the ones who are peaceful and open-minded, not a person like YOU. You are the definition of arrogant. YOU are the one who are intolerant, think so highly of yourself, self-righteous, even most times your comments sound like it’s about YOU, YOUR VIEW, that people must agree with YOU. And if they dont, they somehow become your enemy.

  14. avatar Dimp says:

    Hi Ihaknt,

    You may as well talking to a brick wall, unfortunately these fundamentalists don’t use their “brains” as intended. They tend to look everything in one point of view, they have lost their common sense and think everything and everyone is against them, they never think that it’s not the others that is against them, but it was themselves taking the opposite site of everything.

  15. avatar sgn says:

    Junk food? Is McDonnald serving junk foods?
    Well, I have been in Dubai 5x. Once I stayed in the Crown Hotel. It was Friday, so I didn’t go to office. It was also hot, so I just went to McDonnald nearby to have my lunch. If I were Mr. Hassan, I would be surprised. Most of the people were having meal in that McDonnald are Arab (men and women, with their complete assocerries, you know what I mean).

    sgn

    ——

    Ladies in burqas?

    Well, I also had a funny experience. When I boarded into the aeroplane, I did not see any girl or lady in burqa. But, when the aeroplane landed in Dubai Airport”ยฆ Wow quite a lot girls/ladies in burqa.

    BTW, burqa is not mandatory in Dubai. Most of girls/ladies in burqa are local (Arab).

    sgn

  16. avatar JKS says:

    I think polygamists and adulturers are products of failed religions teaching, mixed with low morale, and act of sex devils, not counting ‘demand and supply’ theory.

    According to research and personal experience as a sinner, at least 75% men experience/ed more than 1 woman and 30% women doing so with more than 1 man, regardless their religions are, percentage explodes if includes gays and lesbians.

    Most of us perceived sex is a ‘worldly’ heaven besides other after death Muslim heaven which reserve 12 virgins as bonus for jihadmen.

    Therefore men’s dicks are always busy and never stop venturing new actions in search of ‘new heaven’, legally or illegally….sigh.

  17. avatar Ihaknt says:

    SGN,

    Most of girls/ladies in burqa are local (Arab).
    Most of girls/ladies in burqa are local (Arab).

    from the many books I’ve read about Mid-eastern women studies, Dubai is one of destinations wealthy Arab women like to go to taste a bit of freedom while still being familiar with the custom. Others were London and Egypt. It’s interesting. I would like to go to Dubai one day. did you stay at that hotel? I dont remember the name.
    I suppose Mc’Donalds or not, if you’re hungry you just need to eat, no?

  18. avatar Hassan says:

    Tomaculum: taliban is a poor example of sharia, and a good example of a failed state. Saudi Arabia is a good example of a political (if not hypocritic) implementation of sharia as a law, but not as a system. I meant that the Saudi royals adopted sharia only to please their citizen, but their behavior (the ruling monarchs’) is not Islamic in anyway.

    You said, “If everybody yells out, that their religion is the only truthful and best religion, can we reach a peacefull living together?”

    Off course we can, as long as the conviction that we have that our religion is the only truhtful and best way of life was turned into a strong drive to be a good follower and worshipper of God. We should never force our religion’s values onto other people following other faiths. I only encouraged Muslims to live according to Islamic law, i never forced any of them (Muslims), let alone force non-Muslims to adhere to Islamic law.

    Sharia was never meant to be applied to non Muslims. Why did some of them always worried whenever Muslims encouraged their brethren to return to the laws of their religion, that part i never understood.

    Btw, i can find mac donald’s in mecca and medina, if that’s what you’re trying to say, but then i realised you missed my point. “mc donald’s” is more of a symbol of a way of live, rather than just a fast food chain. A non-Indonesian way of live.

    Munafikloebangetpade: if you read my post thoroughly you will find that i never force any non-Muslims here to believe that “Islam’s teaching is the best / purest / holiest”. I argued with Khafi, a Muslim, so there’s no reason for me to push those agendas you mentioned.

    Muhammed Khafi: if Islam is not “the only truthful and best way of life” then why did you follow the way? Why did Allah SWT needed to establish yet another religion named Islam if the former ones (Christianity and judaism) are as good as this latest one?? Sorry people, strictly a religious discussion between two Muslims here.

    Oigal: you said, “if those non Muslim provinces decide that they don’t want Sharia and opt out of your brave new world that’s democracy too right?”

    You’re free to try. But since I’m not exactly a policy maker for the republic of Indonesia, so don’t bother talking to me about those agendas.

    “One last point, where is this mythical nation where Sharia Law has fixed all ills?”

    Answer: none. Well who knows maybe Indonesia’s Muslims can try to do just that. A pity that our non-Muslim countrymen always have this antipathy whenever their Muslim countrymen tried to return to the laws of their religion.

    Ihaknt: actually, even in saudi, there are mc donald’ses and pizza huts, so that’s not really my point. Read my post for Tomaculum for further detail ๐Ÿ˜€

    “yes i am in a habit of it but only to YOU” Only to me? Why poor me? Hehe! Anyways, that doesn’t make me tick. Your words just seemed stereotypical to me, to call anyone who wanted sharia to be adopted in Indonesia as “picik”, and to call those who opposed it as “rasional”.

    “You are the definition of arrogant” In what way that a strongly oppinionated person can be called ‘arrogant’? Does having a strong conviction in one’s believe is a crime of arrogance?

    “YOU are the one who are intolerant”. Once again, please provide proof to your accusations. Proof that having definite oppinions about certain matters can be called “intolerant”.

    “even most times your comments sound like it’s about YOU, YOUR VIEW” Hey, isn’t that what the term ‘commenting’ is all about? So that in the end of the day, we can share each others view, understand why people think the way they think. If everyone had the same oppinion, then that is called a choir, isn’t it?

    “that people must agree with YOU. And if they dont, they somehow become your enemy.” I never forced anyone to agree with me, i did argue with some people here, but “arguing” is not the same as “forcing”. Please quote any of my sentences if you believed otherwise. And I don’t consider anyone with a different oppinion as “enemies”, i might not like their views, but not the persons themselves.

    Dimp: not everyone who’s pro-sharia are fundamentalists, please refrain from gross generalizations. I don’t consider myself as a fundamentalist nor as someone with political ties to any hard line organizations.

  19. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hassan,

    Welcome back my Brother, missed you for the last few days, been celebrating Christmas with your neighbours? ๐Ÿ™‚

    You said:

    if Islam is not “the only truthful and best way of life” then why did you follow the way? Why did Allah SWT needed to establish yet another religion named Islam if the former ones (Christianity and judaism) are as good as this latest one?? Sorry people, strictly a religious discussion between two Muslims here.

    If I am behind the wheel of a 2006 Mercedes, why should I bother getting out of it to sit in a 1960’s Mercedes, let alone a model from the 1940’s. All of them if we follow the original manufacturers service book and keep them well serviced and looked after, will take us to the end of our journey won’t they? ๐Ÿ˜‰
    I just get worried when people start to repair the vehicles with cheap replacement parts that don’t meet the original manufacturers specification, that is when the problems start.

    Spares Specifications for Religious Vehicles as supplied by God:

    Original specification, Torah. Cheap replacement part, Talmud.
    Original specification, Injeel. Cheap replacement part, Gospels.
    Original specification, Al Quran. Cheap replacement part, Sunnah and Hadith.

    Selamat Idul Adah, My Brother.

  20. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Hassan,
    I never heard or read about any statement excluding non-Moslems from the sharia law in Aceh or Padang. In Saudi Arabia I can understand that, because the valid law up there is the sharia law for the whole country. But Indonesia is a republik with its own earthen valid laws, for me it is queer if there are two laws parallely being practised.
    So if a non-Muslim is catched by an adultery, which punishment will she/he get? And what about burglary? Are there any regularisation or arrangement we can find?
    What could be the reason that sharia law is necessary parallel to the governmental law? Is there any scientifical analysis about these “need”?

    You didn’t yet answer my complain about your statement to secularism, Hassan. What about this?
    Off course is the Taliban era an extrem example for the non-secularism/clericalism. But it is an example, isn’t it?
    And what about Saudi Arabia, which you have also criticised?
    What is the reason of their wealthiness?
    To my opinion:
    1. because they have had much oil resources.
    2. It is a small land with few inhabitant.
    3. everybody needs oil
    You can’t compare with the situation in Indonesia.
    Let’s see what will happen with their richness if the oil reserves are used.
    Secularism or clericalism, they would have to look for other sources.

    You wrote about non-Indonesian way of life. What is the “Indonesian way of life? Not McDonalds, but corruption, intolerance, Arabicization, butchering of muttons to be sacrificed to God, denying our cultures? Or what did you mean?

    You said, “If everybody yells out, that their religion is the only truthful and best religion, can we reach a peacefull living together?”

    Off course we can, as long as the conviction that we have that our religion is the only truhtful and best way of life was turned into a strong drive to be a good follower and worshipper of God. We should never force our religion’s values onto other people following other faiths. I only encouraged Muslims to live according to Islamic law, i never forced any of them (Muslims), let alone force non-Muslims to adhere to Islamic law.
    I agree with you, that we should never force the values of our religions to the followers of other faiths. But, Hassan, look around. You force no one, but hear what the clerics announce! And I mean really hearing without filtrating the unpleasant parts.

    Well who knows maybe Indonesia’s Muslims can try to do just that. A pity that our non-Muslim countrymen always have this antipathy whenever their Muslim countrymen tried to return to the laws of their religion.
    The antipathy and the mistrust are to find at both sides!

  21. avatar sgn says:

    Hello ihaknt (Ihaknt)

    … It’s interesting. I would like to go to Dubai one day. did you stay at that hotel? I dont remember the name.I suppose Mc’Donalds or not, if you’re hungry you just need to eat, no?

    I was fortunate, yes I stayed there once. It’s an expensive hotel.
    Crowne Plaza Hotel
    SHEIKH ZAYED AL NAHYAN ROAD PO BOX 23215
    DUBAI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
    Note: The hotel also serves pork (I saw it during a breakfast).

    The McDonald is within 50 meters from the hotel. Here is the list of restaurants (and junkfoods) in Dubai: http://www.godubai.com/dining/restaurant.asp

    sgn

  22. avatar sgn says:

    ….
    if Islam is not “the only truthful and best way of life” then why did you follow the way? Why did Allah SWT needed to establish yet another religion named Islam if the former ones (Christianity and judaism) are as good as this latest one??
    ….

    I am not referring to good or bad religions, and not saying an old religion is better than the new religion, or viceversa. I just tried to understand more about the word “religion”.

    I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

    According to Wikipedia, the Bahรƒยก’รƒยญ Faith is a religion founded by Bahรƒยก’u’llรƒยกh in 19th century Persia, and the Ayyavazhi is originated in South India in the mid 19th century.

    In addition, I met people who said “soccer” is their religion.

    sgn

  23. I am a Muslim and I am against both adultery and polygamy. I believe that Islam does not allow its people to be polygamists.
    http://guebukanmonyet.wordpress.com/2007/02/13/9/

  24. avatar Idam H. says:

    Experiencing living in Indonesia for almost four decades, reading the story and the comments above, I can see that there are many faces of Islam.

    When people talk about the true or real Islam, definitely they only say Islam based on their point of view. Then, other people say there could be many Moslems but there will be only one Islam. It is just another ridiculous statement and logically cannot be substantiated since there would be no way to know the one Islam.

    To know something you need to define how do we know something. And the way we know something is also the way to ignore other ways of knowing that thing. If you want to find the true one of anything, you can only believe it. If you want to reason, then what you get would be a wide variety of interpretations.

    Hassan

    You said:

    All this time Muslims had tolerated our non Muslim countrymen, at our expense of not living the Islamic way of live.

    A better statement about this would be “All this time Muslims had tolerated our Muslim brothers and our non Muslim countrymen, at our expense of not living in our interpretation of Islamic way of live. ”

    Moslems and non Moslems would definitely have different way of live so it is understandable. Furthermore, the expenses are incurred both ways, not only for Moslems but also for non-Moslems. On the other hand, I find that many of my university-graduated Muslim friends are quarreling among themselves about the Islamic way of life. Some start behaving as if they are the right one and others are not.

    If these people are uneducated and poor (based on the cause mentioned by Tuan Indonesian American Muslim on our discussion in other story), I can understand that intolerant behaviour among themselves. But, for God’s sake, they are graduated from respected Universities and they have decent living. I reluctantly had to agree on the statement poor condition and low education could be a factor, but brain-washing is more as the determinating factor here.

  25. avatar Janma says:

    Hassan said;

    All this time Muslims had tolerated our non Muslim countrymen, at our expense of not living the Islamic way of live.

    so what are you suggesting Hassan? That muslims in Indonesia shouldn’t be tolerant?

    Also, the whole ‘court case’ above concerning AAGym and YZ is bullsh*t, everyone knows that AAGym was having an extra marital affair for months before he married the girl! why is that not adultery? Munafik!

  26. avatar ~tanty~ says:

    Islam is not a religion because religion is man made.
    Islam is a way of life or ‘deen’

    MK, I sent you a private email few days ago. Would you please answer it?
    Thank you.

  27. avatar Riyoz says:

    “everyone knows that AAGym was having an extra marital affair for months before he married the girl! why is that not adultery? Munafik!”

    Everyone knows ? is that right ?….can you confirm that ?

  28. avatar andi says:

    AA Gym, known as the song “keep your heart”
    AA Gym,but have hurt the wife and relatives

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